JackFrost10, post: 10034662, member: 1309305"]sir I think you are confused, I actually have some authority to say something about atheism because I am called an atheist, and atheist is a label, I would prefer to be called a free thinker or the Enlightened(not the Buddhist one).
Then, have the faith that i am confused and you are not confused. i do not buy that.
What is your authority other than yourself or others that buy your thoughts. Do you mean that I do not have the intellectual right to speak of atheism? Even if you are a self-confessed atheist, it does not mean that your definition or understanding of atheism is the ultimate or absolute truth about atheism. Label such as atheist, agnostic or theist is not necessary for anyone to define an intellectual position. Example, an atheist has all the intellectual right to define theism according to his understanding of theism as what the theist speaks to him(the atheist). Likewise, the theist has all the intellectual right to define atheism as how the atheist utter or speak of his position. If you say that you are the authority, then it follows that I have too the authority since I am also a thinking or intellectual being. In no way that you can show here the superiority of your understanding of atheism. What too if I am an atheist, am I wrong into saying that as an atheist, my believe is that nothing is true but materialism or naturalism and all sort of metaphysical statements are empty or meaningless?
also I am not self-contradicting, you are, you think you understood atheism that's why I'm here to clarify any misconceptions, its your opinion about atheism. almost everything you need to know about atheism is in the first post.
You are self-contradicting because you do not admit that atheism is a belief. This is what you said in your first post here...
Atheism is a label for the questioning of the claim that GOD's exist, Atheism doesn't claim anything, it only ask questions based on the Theist that claims their GOD exist. and so far Theist cant present a proper argument, research, hypothesis or theory for their claim therefore Atheism rejects them.
Here is an example:
I believe Unicorns Exist, I read it in a book made thousands of years ago by gods that throw lightning bolts from the sky. - if you reject this claim you will be an atheist about the unicorn.
Here is another one:
Zues is real, he is written in a book from ancient Greece. - if you dont believe in greek methology you are an Atheist for ancient greeks.
so in short Atheism is a label for the rejection of all man made GOD's that doesn't present answers to questions.
We see here that you are defining atheism.. 'as a label for the questioning of the claim of GOD'S existence. atheism doesn't claim anything. it only ask questions on the theist that claims...God exist(s)...
and so far Theist cant present a proper argument, research, hypothesis or theory for their claim therefore Atheism rejects them.
How ridiculous that you deny that atheism claims nothing. You stress that a belief requires a claim.
Doesn't atheism require a claim? Only those you can fool that atheism claims nothing. However, from your very own statements, atheism claims a lot. Since, atheism claims a lot, by your idea of belief that it requires a claim, then, atheism is a belief which this is the truth about atheism as a belief and a worldview.
Why atheism claims something? because it not only questions the theist position, it also argues against the theist position. it presents alternative arguments against the theist position and the theist worldview. This arguments constructed by the atheist(just as the theist arguments) are not absolute or ultimate since the atheist is required to be all knowing, omnipresent in all of realities, dimensions, and space-time continuum to establish his case as ultimate and absolute and to drop the label belief in his position and boldly say that atheism is the ultimate fact.
Your Idea of atheism is wrong that's why I'm clarifying it, if your an atheist you can tell me your position about the GOD's argument and I will tell you what is wrong with it, If you are a theist then you can tell your atheist friends to join the discussion they would agree to me I'm sure.
You see...instead of your ludicrous semantic charade on atheism, it is better to be direct to the point by being logical and enter the debate on God's existence by presenting your arguments which you BELIEVE is the truth compared to the arguments of the believer or theist.
Then, have the faith that i am confused and you are not confused. i do not buy that.
What is your authority other than yourself or others that buy your thoughts. Do you mean that I do not have the intellectual right to speak of atheism? Even if you are a self-confessed atheist, it does not mean that your definition or understanding of atheism is the ultimate or absolute truth about atheism. Label such as atheist, agnostic or theist is not necessary for anyone to define an intellectual position. Example, an atheist has all the intellectual right to define theism according to his understanding of theism as what the theist speaks to him(the atheist). Likewise, the theist has all the intellectual right to define atheism as how the atheist utter or speak of his position. If you say that you are the authority, then it follows that I have too the authority since I am also a thinking or intellectual being. In no way that you can show here the superiority of your understanding of atheism. What too if I am an atheist, am I wrong into saying that as an atheist, my believe is that nothing is true but materialism or naturalism and all sort of metaphysical statements are empty or meaningless?
also I am not self-contradicting, you are, you think you understood atheism that's why I'm here to clarify any misconceptions, its your opinion about atheism. almost everything you need to know about atheism is in the first post.
You are self-contradicting because you do not admit that atheism is a belief. This is what you said in your first post here...
Atheism is a label for the questioning of the claim that GOD's exist, Atheism doesn't claim anything, it only ask questions based on the Theist that claims their GOD exist. and so far Theist cant present a proper argument, research, hypothesis or theory for their claim therefore Atheism rejects them.
Here is an example:
I believe Unicorns Exist, I read it in a book made thousands of years ago by gods that throw lightning bolts from the sky. - if you reject this claim you will be an atheist about the unicorn.
Here is another one:
Zues is real, he is written in a book from ancient Greece. - if you dont believe in greek methology you are an Atheist for ancient greeks.
so in short Atheism is a label for the rejection of all man made GOD's that doesn't present answers to questions.
We see here that you are defining atheism.. 'as a label for the questioning of the claim of GOD'S existence. atheism doesn't claim anything. it only ask questions on the theist that claims...God exist(s)...
and so far Theist cant present a proper argument, research, hypothesis or theory for their claim therefore Atheism rejects them.
How ridiculous that you deny that atheism claims nothing. You stress that a belief requires a claim.
Doesn't atheism require a claim? Only those you can fool that atheism claims nothing. However, from your very own statements, atheism claims a lot. Since, atheism claims a lot, by your idea of belief that it requires a claim, then, atheism is a belief which this is the truth about atheism as a belief and a worldview.
Why atheism claims something? because it not only questions the theist position, it also argues against the theist position. it presents alternative arguments against the theist position and the theist worldview. This arguments constructed by the atheist(just as the theist arguments) are not absolute or ultimate since the atheist is required to be all knowing, omnipresent in all of realities, dimensions, and space-time continuum to establish his case as ultimate and absolute and to drop the label belief in his position and boldly say that atheism is the ultimate fact.
Your Idea of atheism is wrong that's why I'm clarifying it, if your an atheist you can tell me your position about the GOD's argument and I will tell you what is wrong with it, If you are a theist then you can tell your atheist friends to join the discussion they would agree to me I'm sure.
You see...instead of your ludicrous semantic charade on atheism, it is better to be direct to the point by being logical and enter the debate on God's existence by presenting your arguments which you BELIEVE is the truth compared to the arguments of the believer or theist.