kung may ganyan man case or may mangyayari pang ganyan ito lang masasabi ko...
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State authority punishes crimes, not us.
(#3, #10)
Membership review is strictly religious, not a matter for the state.
(#10)
Parents/Guardians are solely accountable for their own child's safety, not the organization.
(#6)
We do not isolate children from parents for any activity.
(#7)
Elders must be kind to abuse victims.
(#8, #9)
Elders contact the branch to ensure compliance with child abuse reporting laws.
(#5)
Elders are never to punish reporting and inform parents and victims of their right to report.
(#4)
Reporting to the legal authorities may even be encouraged for specific reasons.
(#5)
Mental health consultation is never discouraged.
(#8)
Elders do not protect known perpetrators of child sexual abuse,
(#3)
Wow.. im glad na meron ng changes sa paghandle ng child abuse cases ng org nyo…im genuinely happy especially ung part na di na required humarap ung victim sa accused sa judicial committee… thats a good thing.. im not sure lang kung binago nyo ung two-witness rule kasi wala nakalagay jan.. isa yan kasi sa mga contentions nung nagkaroon ng same case before…
Anw…about jan sa sinend mong position ng jw…
#2 The protection of children is of utmost concern and importance to all Jehovah’s Witnesses.
#3 Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse and view it as a crime.
#5 When elders learn of an accusation of child abuse, they immediately consult with the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses to ensure compliance with child abuse reporting laws. (Romans 13:1) Even if the elders have no legal duty to report an accusation to the authorities, the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses will instruct the elders to report the matter if a minor is still in danger of abuse or there is some other valid reason.
Please correct ur statement that #5 states that reporting such is merely “encouraged” cause “the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses will instruct the elders to report the matter”
Paki check yung sagot sayo ni Gentleman.
Gusto ko lang din po i point out dun sa sagot ni Gentleman na
ang may primary obligation sa safety ng bata ay mismong pamilya niya, ng magulang niya. Sila din ang may
primary obligation na mag report sa authorities.
2006 according to some articles, na alam ng pamilya niya yung abuse. Hindi naman sila pinigilan na magsumbong dahil wala namang ganyan sa amin na pipigilan magsumbong sa authorities yung mga abused specially child abuse. PERO hindi ginawa nung victim at nung pamilya niya.
Ngayon, nag sumbong uli yung victim at
sinamahan na ng isang Elder sa police station yung victim na hindi niya mismo ginawa o ng pamilya niya kahit hindi naman sila pinipigilan ng mga Elders na gawin yan. Tapos after investigation, fast forward, ayan na nga yung ikinaso at hatol ng judge sa kanila dahil sa "hindi nila pag report" daw.
Kung yan po yung hatol ng judge, so be it. Nakakatawa lang po kasi na "parang" pinapalabas mo dito na kinukunsinti ng organization namin o ng dalawang Elders na kasamang humawak sa case na yan yung child abuse na nangyari.
Pakibalikan po uli yung sagot ni Gentleman sa taas. Salamats
I totally agree.. ung parents or guardians ang ultimately ang may primary responsibility sa anak nila, including reporting ng ganyang case…
I personally think that the mother should be held liable as well sa nangyari sa bata… assuming that the mother was not a victim af abuse as well… but.. i will never shift the blame sa victim or family nea
In some cases of abuse… di madali sa mga victims magsumbong for many reasons,, like fear sa abuser, or embarassment etc….
And usually they confide sa mga taong pinagkakatiwalaan nila like sa religious leaders nila etc…
Having said that, may responsibilty din ang elders nyo to report the crime…Which they never did whey they learned about the acussation way back in 2006… which was a violation of the law… and the 5th position as stated by gentleman….
Wala akong pinapalabas na kunsintindor kayo ng mga abusers… ang pinaguusapan natin eh ung sinasabi mo na kilala kayo sa pagiging masunurin sa batas….kaya i gave an example that highlights thats not the case….
Ultimately ang pinakaguilty sa crime dito eh ung abuser… walang duda jan… a jw who commited a crime…
The mother and family ng victim, kung di man sila abused din also failed sa role nila…
And di excuse na porket di nman nagreport ung magulang eh wala ng responsibility ung elders sa congregation members nea…kung talagang gusto nyo na protektahan ang bata and kita nyo that the other people who supposed to be doing that is not doing anything eh they should’ve stepped in at tinulungan ang bata… yang elders ang pinagkakatiwalaan nyo db??
I really am astonished sa stand mo dito….Ang pinopoint out ko lang eh ung bout sa commission ng crimes… Pero nakakadis appoint yang pananaw mo….
Gets ko na bakit ganito mga reply nyo about the case i presented…
“kung may ganyan man case….”
“kung totoo nga yung mga sinabi sa news….”
Why do u guys treat the information i gave you as if di sya talagang nangyari??? Nangyari sya…and it’s not the first time..
"hindi nila pag report" daw - aminado silang di sila nagreport kasi ung ang advice sa daw sa knila ng legal ng Jw….
Please look at the facts and dont treat them as “kung” at “daw”
So be it - di mo pa din sinagot ang tanong ko kung tama ba ang hatol sa knila… its a simple Yes or No question…
Nawalan na ko gana sagutin ka… sguro magkaiba lang tayo ng principle… i will not blame the victim sa mga cases na they failed or even refused to report any crime committed against them… and i will certainly not refuse to do something just because di nman nakilos ang magulang or pamilya ng biktima… thats just wrong…
Kung may nakita kang batang binubugbog ng tatay nea tapos ang nanay nakatingin lang dahil sa takot din or kahit pa sadyang walang pakialam eh hahayaan mo na lang?? Yan kasi impression ko sa sagot mo kaya ayaw mo iaknowledge na may pagkukulang si elders nyo jan…
“So be it….”
