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Anyway, hanggang dun sa bible theory or conspiracy lang ako ng babasa noon. (May katotohanan kasi). At di ko na tinuloy ang pgbabasa kasi parang naniniwala parin sila sa mga kapangyarihan o parang taong maaring mgtaglay ng kakayanan/kapangyarihan.
natandaan mopo name nung ibang sites?

Since satanic to the core ang practices nila, puno ng ritualistic nature yung mga ganap nila. They even channeled demons. Yun yung source ng iba sa mga unexplainable abilities. (Na-involved pa nga ibang illusionists or magicians. Yung mga virtually walang proof ng tricks even sa slo-mo cameracaptured) Maraming kung ano ano. Pero usually pag newbie ka di mo naman alam pinapasok mo. Unti unti nilang ini-induct yung recruit. By levels kumbaga.

Yung classic na example eh yung superbowl performance ni beyonce. Nagchannel daw ng demon named, Sasha Fierce. Hehe
 
natandaan mopo name nung ibang sites?

Since satanic to the core ang practices nila, puno ng ritualistic nature yung mga ganap nila. They even channeled demons. Yun yung source ng iba sa mga unexplainable abilities. (Na-involved pa nga ibang illusionists or magicians. Yung mga virtually walang proof ng tricks even sa slo-mo cameracaptured) Maraming kung ano ano. Pero usually pag newbie ka di mo naman alam pinapasok mo. Unti unti nilang ini-induct yung recruit. By levels kumbaga.

Yung classic na example eh yung superbowl performance ni beyonce. Nagchannel daw ng demon named, Sasha Fierce. Hehe
Tanda ko pa yung site pero wala na ngayon.
2012 nag babasa ako doon almost a month yata yun tapos pasulyap sulyap nalang hanggang sa hindi ma access yung site (2015-2016). Magaling umunawa ng bible verse ang mga yun. Nag halukay rin ako tungkol sa enligtenment 18centuries pa pala ito ng simula.
Kaya ganun nalang sila siguro ka maalam.

Anyways, iba ang naging result sakin after ng enlightenment. Dati na rin kasi akong atheist kaya mas nalinawagan ako nung nagbabasa ako sa site na yun.
Man made lang pala talaga ang lahat. Nakakatuwa lang isipin, siguro nga lahat o ang mga pari alam rin nila ang totoo kasi basi doon sa nababasa ko ang pinaka unang na enlightened was the first pope, john the baptist (na cousin ni jesus).

Ngayon tumigil na o hindi na ako isang Atheist hindi rin Theist kasi wala naman talagang katotohanan ang mga yan. Namulat akong kasama ang "Kalikasan" na hindi ng sisinungaling. Hindi ko rin pipiliing maging Pantheist kasi naniniwala parin sila sa mga Deities at Spiritual beings.
 
Tanda ko pa yung site pero wala na ngayon.
2012 nag babasa ako doon almost a month yata yun tapos pasulyap sulyap nalang hanggang sa hindi ma access yung site (2015-2016). Magaling umunawa ng bible verse ang mga yun. Nag halukay rin ako tungkol sa enligtenment 18centuries pa pala ito ng simula.
Kaya ganun nalang sila siguro ka maalam.

Anyways, iba ang naging result sakin after ng enlightenment. Dati na rin kasi akong atheist kaya mas nalinawagan ako nung nagbabasa ako sa site na yun.
Man made lang pala talaga ang lahat. Nakakatuwa lang isipin, siguro nga lahat o ang mga pari alam rin nila ang totoo kasi basi doon sa nababasa ko ang pinaka unang na enlightened was the first pope, john the baptist (na cousin ni jesus).

Ngayon tumigil na o hindi na ako isang Atheist hindi rin Theist kasi wala naman talagang katotohanan ang mga yan. Namulat akong kasama ang "Kalikasan" na hindi ng sisinungaling. Hindi ko rin pipiliing maging Pantheist kasi naniniwala parin sila sa mga Deities at Spiritual beings.
ah ganon pala. Ano pong bible verses (or if matndaan ninyo kahit content lang nito) yung tinalakay doon na naging dahilan na di ka na nainiwala na may Dios or walang Dios? Curious lang po.
 
meron ngang masonry na building dito sa pilipinas na kitang kita mo ung symbol. eh ang masonry at illuminati parang sister company lang ung dalawang yan sa cavite
 
ah ganon pala. Ano pong bible verses (or if matndaan ninyo kahit content lang nito) yung tinalakay doon na naging dahilan na di ka na nainiwala na may Dios or walang Dios? Curious lang po.


Dahil sa naitanong muna yan. eshare ko na lang ang naging dahilan ng pagkamulat ng aking mga mata (anyabang hahahaha) ererespito ko ang yung magiging reakyon at kung sino mang maaring makabasa nito;

Sa unang mga pahina ng aking pagbabasa doon noon ay naiintriga ako dahil ito ay patungkol sa dinuDiyos ng mga Kristiyano na si Jesus (at dahil pinanganak rin akong kristiano). Madami mga subtitles doon, tulad nalang "siya ay may ugali" baga di rin sya ganun ka bait. Tapos yung conspiracy na miron syang sariling bloodline na maaring nanatili pa sa ating mundo ngayon. Kung tanda nyo pa yung "the vince code". Tapos yung topic ng kanyang tunay na pagka tao, na hindi naman talaga Jesus ang name nya at iba pa. Tapos yung tapik ng tatlo sa kanyang apostolis ay kapatid nya at pinsan nyang buo si john the baptist. Miron pang isang tapik na may titulong "Blood Sacrice". Yung kanyang mga Miracles na may kinalaman at kasangkot ang tatlo pa nyang mga kapatid, may paksa rin eto doon sa site na yun. Basta madami yun, yung iba limot kona at lahat ay bumabasi sa bibliya kada paksa ay may nakalatag na bible verse(limot ko narin basta nasa bible lang ang mga yun) at pinapaunawa sa magbabasa. Maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw ang kanyang pagpapa unawa ng hindi ka naman napipwersa (hahaha, hindi ka nmn talaga ma pwersa kasi reader ka lang naman at anumang uras ay pede mo itigil ang pagbabasa, pero ako? tinuloy tuloy ko eto). Parang binibigyan ko ng tsansa na marinig o mabasa ang punto nung ngsulat. At nauunawaan ko naman kahit pa di naman ako matalino.

Nakakatuwa lang isipin na naroon lang pala talaga yun dun sa bibliya at mababasa mo, hindi mo lang ito makikita o maiintindihan o mararadaman ang minsahi kasi hindi pa dilat/bukas(ika nga "all seeing eye") ang yung mata. Kumbaga shielded kapa ng iyong paniniwala (faith).

In summary, eto ang nakikita kong may katotohanan.
Ang lugar nila noon(di ko na papangalanan) ay naging alipin na mga dayong lahi ng mahigit 300 years. Miron rin ito mga paniniwala patungkol sa " Creator" o "Almighty God o Gods". Maging ang lahi nila mismo ay miron rin.(di ko idedetalye para di na humaba pa). Matagal na silang ng hahanap ng paraan para makalaya at isa nga dito ang "blood sacrifice" ang pagpapako sa krus. Pero paano makuha ang simpatya ng nakararami? Doon pumapasok ang pagpapanggap nyang anak ng Diyos na may kinalaman sa mga writtings at propisiya nila noon. "Ang pagkatao o pagiging tao ng anak ng Diyos na tagapagligtas" hindi ng sanglibutan pero ng sarili nilang bayan. Isipin ninyo ang 300 years at may isang taong gumawa ng propisiyang iyon para magising ang kanilang lahi at naisasakatuparan nga ito sa katuohan ni jesus. (At kung papaanong inagapan ito ni king herodis)

Makikita mo ang lahat ng eto kung Bukas na ang yung mga Mata. Kahit sa mga palabas makikita mo ang mga ganitong tema, no wonder sumikat ang mga ito. At ang iilan doong tumatangkilik ay bukas na ang mga mata.

"Hindi nga totoo ang Isa paano nalang kaya ang iba?"
Plainly, gawa lang ng tao para gamitin lang rin para sa kapwa tao. Ika nga nila hindi dahilan ang hindi na kayang abutin ng conciousness ng tao para sabihing may Diyos

At lastly, ang kalikasan(earth, galaxy, multiverse, etc) ay hindi ng sisinungaling at yang pilit inuunawa ng seyinsya.

Letter sender,
Boknoy
 
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Dahil sa naitanong muna yan. eshare ko na lang ang naging dahilan ng pagkamulat ng aking mga mata (anyabang hahahaha) ererespito ko ang yung magiging reakyon at kung sino mang maaring makabasa nito;

Sa unang mga pahina ng aking pagbabasa doon noon ay naiintriga ako dahil ito ay patungkol sa dinuDiyos ng mga Kristiyano na si Jesus (at dahil pinanganak rin akong kristiano). Madami mga subtitles doon, tulad nalang "siya ay may ugali" baga di rin sya ganun ka bait. Tapos yung conspiracy na miron syang sariling bloodline na maaring nanatili pa sa ating mundo ngayon. Kung tanda nyo pa yung "the vince code". Tapos yung topic ng kanyang tunay na pagka tao, na hindi naman talaga Jesus ang name nya at iba pa. Tapos yung tapik ng tatlo sa kanyang apostolis ay kapatid nya at pinsan nyang buo si john the baptist. Miron pang isang tapik na may titulong "Blood Sacrice". Yung kanyang mga Miracles na may kinalaman at kasangkot ang tatlo pa nyang mga kapatid, may paksa rin eto doon sa site na yun. Basta madami yun, yung iba limot kona at lahat ay bumabasi sa bibliya kada paksa ay may nakalatag na bible verse(limot ko narin basta nasa bible lang ang mga yun) at pinapaunawa sa magbabasa. Maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw ang kanyang pagpapa unawa ng hindi ka naman napipwersa (hahaha, hindi ka nmn talaga ma pwersa kasi reader ka lang naman at anumang uras ay pede mo itigil ang pagbabasa, pero ako? tinuloy tuloy ko eto). Parang binibigyan ko ng tsansa na marinig o mabasa ang punto nung ngsulat. At nauunawaan ko naman kahit pa di naman ako matalino.

Nakakatuwa lang isipin na naroon lang pala talaga yun dun sa bibliya at mababasa mo, hindi mo lang ito makikita o maiintindihan o mararadaman ang minsahi kasi hindi pa dilat/bukas(ika nga "all seeing eye") ang yung mata. Kumbaga shielded kapa ng iyong paniniwala (faith).

In summary, eto ang nakikita kong may katotohanan.
Ang lugar nila noon(di ko na papangalanan) ay naging alipin na mga dayong lahi ng mahigit 300 years. Miron rin ito mga paniniwala patungkol sa " Creator" o "Almighty God o Gods". Maging ang lahi nila mismo ay miron rin.(di ko idedetalye para di na humaba pa). Matagal na silang ng hahanap ng paraan para makalaya at isa nga dito ang "blood sacrifice" ang pagpapako sa krus. Pero paano makuha ang simpatya ng nakararami? Doon pumapasok ang pagpapanggap nyang anak ng Diyos na may kinalaman sa mga writtings at propisiya nila noon. "Ang pagkatao o pagiging tao ng anak ng Diyos na tagapagligtas" hindi ng sanglibutan pero ng sarili nilang bayan. Isipin ninyo ang 300 years at may isang taong gumawa ng propisiyang iyon para magising ang kanilang lahi at naisasakatuparan nga ito sa katuohan ni jesus. (At kung papaanong inagapan ito ni king herodis)

Makikita mo ang lahat ng eto kung Bukas na ang yung mga Mata. Kahit sa mga palabas makikita mo ang mga ganitong tema, no wonder sumikat ang mga ito. At ang iilan doong tumatangkilik ay bukas na ang mga mata.

"Hindi nga totoo ang Isa paano nalang kaya ang iba?"
Plainly, gawa lang ng tao para gamitin lang rin para sa kapwa tao. Ika nga nila hindi dahilan ang hindi na kayang abutin ng conciousness ng tao para sabihing may Diyos

At lastly, ang kalikasan(earth, galaxy, multiverse, etc) ay hindi ng sisinungaling at yang pilit inuunawa ng seyinsya.

Letter sender,
Boknoy

Una po sa lahat. I appreciate you sharing what youve read before. I believe iba po yung sites na nabasa niyo dati. Sa case ko kasi more on illuminati talaga. Their origin. How they came to spread and their rise to power. Their various experiments and rituals and of course yung end game. (Hint: satanic to the core)


Pangalawa. May nabasa din ako dati. "Gnostic gospels" kung tawagin. Nandun po nakasulat yung "dark side" kono ni Jesus. At mga secrets nung panahon including yung namention mong bloodline with Mary Magdalene, quoted in Da Vinci Code. Now itong quote sa Da Vince code that goes something like "he used to kiss her on her mouth" etc and the supposed symbolisms ng last supper ni Da Vinci sa secrets. Sorry po. Pero unfounded po ito. Now. Di ko objective i-attack yung belief ng iba. Gusto ko lang i-share din yun natuklasan ko. Nadiscuss to ng isang bible scholar (mga experts sa ancient texts, language culture, archaeology etc in short may credentials, may credibility). Sabi niya exaggerated at deception ginawa ni Dan Brown, by presenting fiction as non-fiction in a fiction book/film. Ang tunay na manuscript na nakuha patungkol sa passage na yun ay may MISSING parts. Literally. may hole or punit. HINDI po kiss her on her " mouth".

Missing po tong part. At sa analysis ng experts (based sa letters, size ng space etc), naconclude nila. Di lang mouth ang word na fitted dito. Pwedeng feet, cheek, or hand or something basta di exclusive na ‘mouth’ agad. Sa times nila din po kasi sa culture karaniwan lang magbatian magkiss sa cheeks. Parang sa modern, nagshishake hands. Depende sa culture. Kaya importante malaman ang cultural context din. (Mas maigi po isearch mo to ulit. Kung makita ko vid send ko po sayu link). Madami pa siya discussion dito. Bottomline: di po siya strong basis na may relationship si magdalene at jesus at may bloodline. Although, in that regards, walang masama if nagpakasal sila. Single naman parehas. (Personally i believe its unlikely, parang out of character, di naman mag asawa mission ni Jesus sa earth)

Third. Yung about sa brothers ni Jesus. Yes. He did have brothers and sisters (wala yata sa bible exact number ilan kapatids). Si James po na author ng book of James sa bible ay kapatid niya. Yes. Anak po ni Mary at Joseph si James so brother siya ni Jesus thru Mary. Now , in itself, wala po masama kung may mga kapatid si Jesus. Natural po married si Mary at Joseph. She did have kids after Jesus. BUT yung sa case ni Jesus, she got p reg nant before the marriage. Nasa bible. Diba nga hihiwalayan na sana siya ni Joseph silently pero binisita siya ng angel na si Gabriel. At alam naman natin lahat story ng V i r gi n birth kahit di Christian. Si Luke po na author ng book of Luke sa bible..is a doctor. Roman po siya na nag investigate about Jesus. Nagspread na kasi about sa kanya at that time so, nag investigate siya. This was after the death and resurrection of Christ. At nasa book of Luke accounts niya, stating Jesus was born of the v i r g i n Mary (corroborating Mark, Matthew and John).

Fourth. Going back to these “Gnostic gospels”. These are written way way after the time of Jesus or the disciples. So di po reliable ang authenticity ng accounts nakasulat dito. I suggest more research on the origin of these manuscripts po.

Fifth. Sa bibliya po consistent. Hate ni YAHWEH (YHWH), God of Israel/OTG, ang false gods. People always get punished and end up pretty messed up once they turn to these “other gods” and worship “idols”. Number 1 pinakaayaw ng tunay na Dios ang sumamba ang mga tao sa ibang dios diosan. Second yung depravity. Pattern po yan sa stories sa old testament. Kung sumusunod sila kay Yahweh, they are blessed. But everytime they revert to worshipping other gods and dieties, nagkakanda leche leche po buhay nila. So if this is the case in the Old Testament. Sa tingin ko po. Di palalagpasin ni Yahweh si Jesus, saying He is God (if He was a fraud). In this light, tatlo lang pagpipilian natin. Either si Jesus ay, (1)demon, (2)insane person or schezophrenic or (3)he is exactly who he claims he is.

Let’s examine the proposition na demon ni Jesus. Sa kwento ng mga himala niya. Isa doon yung nagpalayas siya ng demon sa kawatan ng isang lalaki. Namangha ang mga tao at sabing galing sa demonyo powers niya. Sagot ni Jesus: “17Every kingdom divided against itself is ruined. A house divided against itself falls. 18Now, if Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom last? I say this because you say Beelzebul helps me force demons out of people. 19If I force demons out with the help of Beelzebul, who helps your followers force them out? That’s why they will be your judges. 20But if I force out demons with the help of God’s power, then the kingdom of God has come to you.” I suggest po you read the rest of the verse for yourself. Matthew 12:22-32; Luke 11:14-23.

So, baliw si Jesus? Wala pong coherence ang mind ng isang baliw (check the criteria for being diagnosed as schizophrenic). Would a mad person gain a lot of following? What are these pharisees so afraid in an insane person? Might as well locked the person up or be stoned to death. And call him outright, insane. But truth is there is no indication in the scriptures, he is insane. (In rabbinic accounts of Jesus, there is no mention of him being this as well. Note that rabbinic jews do not believe in Jesus. In fact they deny he is the Messiah referred to by the prophets. Research on how Jesus fulfilled the prophecies. Every. Single. One)

Sige po. Magbibigay ako ng 4th option. He is a Great Liar. Great Deceiver. Magaling siyang magsinunghaling kaya maraming naniniwala. BUT the problem with this conclusion is.. if he is a Great Liar. It is safe to say he is Lucifer, the greatest Liar(based on Scripture). If we believe this. Then there is no consistency. It doesn’t add up. Satanism clearly in high contrasts with Jesus’ teachings. Hindi rin matched personality ni Satan sa book at personality ni Jesus. Or else. Si Satan lang din kalaban niya. Baliw lang diba. So NO. We can scratch that.

It was clear Jesus said, “I am the way the truth and the Life. No one goes to the father except through me.” John 14:6. Surely if I were Satan, since I knew my fate is already sealed. Im going to hell. Might as well take as many souls as I can. Damay damay na to kumbaga. Sino tatargetin ko? Answer. Jesus. Shempre if walang maniniwala kay Jesus, since sabi niya siya ang Way Truth and Life.... Alams na.

I think Satan/Luci is the cleverest ever. Magaling mang-twist. Hanep. Bolero. Di siya typical na kalaban na “black and white”. It was written, even Satan masquerade as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11: 14).

Which brings us back to the Illuminati (enlightened ones), who claims you’d have accessed to this secret knowledge (or power). It is the oldest lie. Sa Eden pa yan, “you’d become like God, knowing good and evil...” (How stupid we humans are, to fall for it over again.) If mapansin mo sa writeups about illuminati. Ang goal nila is to have One World Government. To “unite the world”. Shempre on the surface. Sinong ayaw nito diba? But the deeper underlying motive is so we don’t realize that we are allying or even rooting for the Anti-Christ na pala. Ganon na pala. Tapos yung tunay na Dios--si Jesus, siya ang kontrabida. Kasi nalason na utak natin (General’s Daughter lang. Lol).

Ang haba pa sana. Pero gusto lang ishare not to invoke negativity or argument. On the otherhand , i encourage you and others who’d read this to seek out the truth for yourself. Surely, at some point you’d say to yourself “there is something more of this life than what we can see”.

The plants, trees, sees, mountains, creatures, earth, universe has a Creator. The same one who created you and me. All of us. Not even science can fully explain the origin of the universe (theory parin si bigbang. A bunch of mathematical equations. A series of probabilities called quantum physics). Bakit nagdevelop into complex DNA si single-celled? If it evolved.. how? And why cant it be replicated in a lab? These are some of the questions we have. Dagdagan mo pa aliens and other entities from the other side. Unlimited ba lives natin? Are we living and dying over again? (Reincarnation) etc.

Sana po i-challenge natin sarili natin sa mga alam natin or sa pagkakaalam natin na alam natin. Ito ba ay dahil sa anong turo saatin? Nagverify ba tayo sa anong nalaman natin sa iba? Tayo ba mismo naghanap ng kasagutan? Di man natin masagot lahat ng tanong sa ngayon. Atleast sana mamulat tayo that we are in the middle of a war. Unseen. On the spiritual level. And there is only 2 sides. No in-betweens.

In the end po individual decisions po natin anong paniniwalaan natin. Or kung may papaniwalaan tayo. Diba. Salamat sa conversation paps. Marami pa sana akong gustong matanong. Hehe.
Kay TS: Sorry napopulate namin thread mo po.

God bless. 🙏
 
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check out truthunedited na y o u t u b e channel. Yung playlist sa "History of Religions".

Sometimes we equate Christianity with other popular churches or religion ( di ko na magmention). But yung Christianity po. The real one is yung grounded biblically. Central teaching: Gospel

Offtopic na ba to TS? Pwede mo po din check. ⬆ Dadating din discussion ng channel owner sa Illuminati and the common symbols associated with them as well as the meanings and/or origins. That includes the most popular and widely used by these people: the all seeing eye a.k.a eye of horus👍
 
Una po sa lahat. I appreciate you sharing what youve read before. I believe iba po yung sites na nabasa niyo dati. Sa case ko kasi more on illuminati talaga. Their origin. How they came to spread and their rise to power. Their various experiments and rituals and of course yung end game. (Hint: satanic to the core)


Pangalawa. May nabasa din ako dati. "Gnostic gospels" kung tawagin. Nandun po nakasulat yung "dark side" kono ni Jesus. At mga secrets nung panahon including yung namention mong bloodline with Mary Magdalene, quoted in Da Vinci Code. Now itong quote sa Da Vince code that goes something like "he used to kiss her on her mouth" etc and the supposed symbolisms ng last supper ni Da Vinci sa secrets. Sorry po. Pero unfounded po ito. Now. Di ko objective i-attack yung belief ng iba. Gusto ko lang i-share din yun natuklasan ko. Nadiscuss to ng isang bible scholar (mga experts sa ancient texts, language culture, archaeology etc in short may credentials, may credibility). Sabi niya exaggerated at deception ginawa ni Dan Brown, by presenting fiction as non-fiction in a fiction book/film. Ang tunay na manuscript na nakuha patungkol sa passage na yun ay may MISSING parts. Literally. may hole or punit. HINDI po kiss her on her " mouth".

Missing po tong part. At sa analysis ng experts (based sa letters, size ng space etc), naconclude nila. Di lang mouth ang word na fitted dito. Pwedeng feet, cheek, or hand or something basta di exclusive na ‘mouth’ agad. Sa times nila din po kasi sa culture karaniwan lang magbatian magkiss sa cheeks. Parang sa modern, nagshishake hands. Depende sa culture. Kaya importante malaman ang cultural context din. (Mas maigi po isearch mo to ulit. Kung makita ko vid send ko po sayu link). Madami pa siya discussion dito. Bottomline: di po siya strong basis na may relationship si magdalene at jesus at may bloodline. Although, in that regards, walang masama if nagpakasal sila. Single naman parehas. (Personally i believe its unlikely, parang out of character, di naman mag asawa mission ni Jesus sa earth)

Third. Yung about sa brothers ni Jesus. Yes. He did have brothers and sisters (wala yata sa bible exact number ilan kapatids). Si James po na author ng book of James sa bible ay kapatid niya. Yes. Anak po ni Mary at Joseph si James so brother siya ni Jesus thru Mary. Now , in itself, wala po masama kung may mga kapatid si Jesus. Natural po married si Mary at Joseph. She did have kids after Jesus. BUT yung sa case ni Jesus, she got p reg nant before the marriage. Nasa bible. Diba nga hihiwalayan na sana siya ni Joseph silently pero binisita siya ng angel na si Gabriel. At alam naman natin lahat story ng V i r gi n birth kahit di Christian. Si Luke po na author ng book of Luke sa bible..is a doctor. Roman po siya na nag investigate about Jesus. Nagspread na kasi about sa kanya at that time so, nag investigate siya. This was after the death and resurrection of Christ. At nasa book of Luke accounts niya, stating Jesus was born of the v i r g i n Mary (corroborating Mark, Matthew and John).

Fourth. Going back to these “Gnostic gospels”. These are written way way after the time of Jesus or the disciples. So di po reliable ang authenticity ng accounts nakasulat dito. I suggest more research on the origin of these manuscripts po.

Fifth. Sa bibliya po consistent. Hate ni YAHWEH (YHWH), God of Israel/OTG, ang false gods. People always get punished and end up pretty messed up once they turn to these “other gods” and worship “idols”. Number 1 pinakaayaw ng tunay na Dios ang sumamba ang mga tao sa ibang dios diosan. Second yung depravity. Pattern po yan sa stories sa old testament. Kung sumusunod sila kay Yahweh, they are blessed. But everytime they revert to worshipping other gods and dieties, nagkakanda leche leche po buhay nila. So if this is the case in the Old Testament. Sa tingin ko po. Di palalagpasin ni Yahweh si Jesus, saying He is God (if He was a fraud). In this light, tatlo lang pagpipilian natin. Either si Jesus ay, (1)demon, (2)insane person or schezophrenic or (3)he is exactly who he claims he is.

Let’s examine the proposition na demon ni Jesus. Sa kwento ng mga himala niya. Isa doon yung nagpalayas siya ng demon sa kawatan ng isang lalaki. Namangha ang mga tao at sabing galing sa demonyo powers niya. Sagot ni Jesus: “17Every kingdom divided against itself is ruined. A house divided against itself falls. 18Now, if Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom last? I say this because you say Beelzebul helps me force demons out of people. 19If I force demons out with the help of Beelzebul, who helps your followers force them out? That’s why they will be your judges. 20But if I force out demons with the help of God’s power, then the kingdom of God has come to you.” I suggest po you read the rest of the verse for yourself. Matthew 12:22-32; Luke 11:14-23.

So, baliw si Jesus? Wala pong coherence ang mind ng isang baliw (check the criteria for being diagnosed as schizophrenic). Would a mad person gain a lot of following? What are these pharisees so afraid in an insane person? Might as well locked the person up or be stoned to death. And call him outright, insane. But truth is there is no indication in the scriptures, he is insane. (In rabbinic accounts of Jesus, there is no mention of him being this as well. Note that rabbinic jews do not believe in Jesus. In fact they deny he is the Messiah referred to by the prophets. Research on how Jesus fulfilled the prophecies. Every. Single. One)

Sige po. Magbibigay ako ng 4th option. He is a Great Liar. Great Deceiver. Magaling siyang magsinunghaling kaya maraming naniniwala. BUT the problem with this conclusion is.. if he is a Great Liar. It is safe to say he is Lucifer, the greatest Liar(based on Scripture). If we believe this. Then there is no consistency. It doesn’t add up. Satanism clearly in high contrasts with Jesus’ teachings. Hindi rin matched personality ni Satan sa book at personality ni Jesus. Or else. Si Satan lang din kalaban niya. Baliw lang diba. So NO. We can scratch that.

It was clear Jesus said, “I am the way the truth and the Life. No one goes to the father except through me.” John 14:6. Surely if I were Satan, since I knew my fate is already sealed. Im going to hell. Might as well take as many souls as I can. Damay damay na to kumbaga. Sino tatargetin ko? Answer. Jesus. Shempre if walang maniniwala kay Jesus, since sabi niya siya ang Way Truth and Life.... Alams na.

I think Satan/Luci is the cleverest ever. Magaling mang-twist. Hanep. Bolero. Di siya typical na kalaban na “black and white”. It was written, even Satan masquerade as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11: 14).

Which brings us back to the Illuminati (enlightened ones), who claims you’d have accessed to this secret knowledge (or power). It is the oldest lie. Sa Eden pa yan, “you’d become like God, knowing good and evil...” (How stupid we humans are, to fall for it over again.) If mapansin mo sa writeups about illuminati. Ang goal nila is to have One World Government. To “unite the world”. Shempre on the surface. Sinong ayaw nito diba? But the deeper underlying motive is so we don’t realize that we are allying or even rooting for the Anti-Christ na pala. Ganon na pala. Tapos yung tunay na Dios--si Jesus, siya ang kontrabida. Kasi nalason na utak natin (General’s Daughter lang. Lol).

Ang haba pa sana. Pero gusto lang ishare not to invoke negativity or argument. On the otherhand , i encourage you and others who’d read this to seek out the truth for yourself. Surely, at some point you’d say to yourself “there is something more of this life than what we can see”.

The plants, trees, sees, mountains, creatures, earth, universe has a Creator. The same one who created you and me. All of us. Not even science can fully explain the origin of the universe (theory parin si bigbang. A bunch of mathematical equations. A series of probabilities called quantum physics). Bakit nagdevelop into complex DNA si single-celled? If it evolved.. how? And why cant it be replicated in a lab? These are some of the questions we have. Dagdagan mo pa aliens and other entities from the other side. Unlimited ba lives natin? Are we living and dying over again? (Reincarnation) etc.

Sana po i-challenge natin sarili natin sa mga alam natin or sa pagkakaalam natin na alam natin. Ito ba ay dahil sa anong turo saatin? Nagverify ba tayo sa anong nalaman natin sa iba? Tayo ba mismo naghanap ng kasagutan? Di man natin masagot lahat ng tanong sa ngayon. Atleast sana mamulat tayo that we are in the middle of a war. Unseen. On the spiritual level. And there is only 2 sides. No in-betweens.

In the end po individual decisions po natin anong paniniwalaan natin. Or kung may papaniwalaan tayo. Diba. Salamat sa conversation paps. Marami pa sana akong gustong matanong. Hehe.
Kay TS: Sorry napopulate namin thread mo po.

God bless. 🙏
I appreciate your level of intellectual Boss.
On how you choose your stand and the deliverance of clear words makes anyone would tell to themselves that you're somewhat holds a brilliant mind.

We are still Humans even if without the idea of human-like God, just sayin my friend.

Anyway, May your God Bless you more.
 
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I appreciate your level of intellectual Boss.
On how you choose your stand and the deliverance of clear words makes anyone would tell to themselves that you're somewhat holds a brilliant mind.

We are still Humans even if without the idea of human-like God, just sayin my friend.

Anyway, May your God Bless you more.

Tama paps we are mere humans still. Whether a human believe in God or not, his state (being human) doesn't change. But we cannot say that "without a God or Creator" we CAN become humans(come into existence). In a logical sense, because fact is we aren't there (No human was) when life first began, same goes with Big Bang. We cannot WITH CERTAINTY/ 100% YES, say there was no big bang or there is a big bang, that explosion from a singularity of concentrated mass birthing to all what we see in the universe. All we have are theories and each theories do have a body of supporting ideas and scientific studies (yes even pertaining to biblical ones, to be fair). It will just depend which holds weight in us more. Or which perspective are we gonna pursue.

Of course, i will not deny i do believe in the God of the bible. His word is Truth to believers alike. But that's outside the point. The point being is how did we came into existence? Not just exist but we seem to be governed and follow a certain "law or mechanism" that is both consistent and observable. If we are product of Big Bang, which if you look closely is just random circumstance. It just happened that the right condition and combination of this and that produce life in some random planet called earth. Then how did randomness produced a level of order ? The sort of order which i think everyone can see, i.e the natural order of things or how things work.

Anyway. Bilib ako sayo paps kasi you dont attack the person, you take into accounts the reasons presented instead. As for me, I am honestly asking these questions with no whatsoever purpose than to ask , get answer / info and get the perspective or point of view of the other person. I think we can agree that kahit sino saatin di natin gusto ipagdikdikan saatin paniniwala nila. Na di kailangan na iforce ang own ideology natin sa iba and vice versa. That it can happen- exchanges of ideas can't always be hostile.

"Those who have ears, let them hear"
 
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Tama paps we are mere humans still. Whether a human believe in God or not, his state (being human) doesn't change. But we cannot say that "without a God or Creator" we CAN become humans(come into existence). In a logical sense, because fact is we aren't there (No human was) when life first began, same goes with Big Bang. We cannot WITH CERTAINTY/ 100% YES, say there was no big bang or there is a big bang, that explosion from a singularity of concentrated mass birthing to all what we see in the universe. All we have are theories and each theories do have a body of supporting ideas and scientific studies (yes even pertaining to biblical ones, to be fair). It will just depend which holds weight in us more. Or which perspective are we gonna pursue.

Of course, i will not deny i do believe in the God of the bible. His word is Truth to believers alike. But that's outside the point. The point being is how did we came into existence? Not just exist but we seem to be governed and follow a certain "law or mechanism" that is both consistent and observable. If we are product of Big Bang, which if you look closely is just random circumstance. It just happened that the right condition and combination of this and that produce life in some random planet called earth. Then how did randomness produced a level of order ? The sort of order which i think everyone can see, i.e the natural order of things or how things work.

Anyway. Bilib ako sayo paps kasi you dont attack the person, you take into accounts the reasons presented instead. As for me, I am honestly asking these questions with no whatsoever purpose than to ask , get answer / info and get the perspective or point of view of the other person. I think we can agree that kahit sino saatin di natin gusto ipagdikdikan saatin paniniwala nila. Na di kailangan na iforce ang own ideology natin sa iba and vice versa. That it can happen- exchanges of ideas can't always be hostile.

"Those who have ears, let them hear"
You are one of a kind boss, karamihan kasi dito when talking about God medyo nasasaktan na magrereply nalang ng kung ano-ano maprotiktahan lang ang kanilang paniniwala. Na hindi nila nakikita na kahit nga yung mga nakatataas don't even bother aguing, they only do good conversations. Hindi pinagpipilitan ng nakatataas ng mga religious groups ang mga taong nananaliksing sa siyensya. Hindi rin sila ng a away away kahit hindi naman talaga paripariho ang kanilang paniniwala. Hindi na nila pinagtuonan ng pansin kung sino talaga ang totoo sa kanila.


Ang mga masugid nalang na naniniwala ang ganun. Pero silang nasa itaas? Hinahayaan lang nila ang mga taong umunawa sa lahat kasi alam rin nila na hindi nila ito mapipilit sa kung ano man ang paniniwala ng mga ito.
 
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