Learning more about SOGIE Bill

[Kaplok Kaplok]

there is no such thing as non-SOGIE supporter because each one of us supports at least 1 SOGIE, baka you mean non-SOGIE bill supporter, at saka hindi naman nabago ang facts, anatomical genders are still boy girl, kahit support ako sa SOGIE bill bakla pa din naman tingin ko sa mga transgenders, i don't consider them as girls

I know you know what I meant. The fact na ginagamit mo yung word na "SOGIE" to replace the word "gender", it shows how much mental cartwheel ang pinagdadaanan mo para ipaglaban yang ideology na yan.

edi mas lalong dadami ang magkaka-counter file ng obstruction of justice niyan pag naging batas ang SOGIE provided na magka totoo yung claim mong takot pati pulis, counter filing will accelerate actually

Paano mo nasabi maaccelerate? Malinaw na ma backlog lang yan sa dami ng magiging cases. At likely mabaon nlng sa limot ang traumatic experience nung batang girl sa example scenario na yan.

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Kung hindi mo narerealize, naka aligned ka ngayon sa negative side, as long as pumapanig ka sa kasinungalingan (FAKE) kasali ka rin sa bunga ng "Deception".​

....negative side para sa iyo dahil ikaw lang naman ang meron hawak kung ano ang "negative" para sa iyo. Natural , hindi ko matutuklasan ang sinasabi na "negative side" dahil ikaw lang naman ang may hawak nun. Hindi ako.
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Kayo lang naman ang talagang nag uugaling superior at mala dominante ang galawan, na hindi mo makikita sa ibang community, meaning nagkakaisa ang mga ibang community pag dating sa pag ayaw sa immorality.​

Sabihin ko sa inyong lahat , masyado "subjective" ang itinutukoy mo na "morality" ha? Ang mabuti sa inyo ay masama sa amin or kung ano ang masama sa inyo ay mabuti naman sa amin lahat at kahit sa iba-ibang sulok ng kultura at kung ano ang normal sa society ay natural , ganun din.

So walang tao malinis. Same lang tayo lahat pagdating sa superior at mala-dominante ang galawan. So do not judge the book kung ang self ay hindi makita na ganoon din siya.

Superior ha? Nananabi ng kulto (hindi naman alam kung ano ang definition ng kulto) , nananabi ng kababuyan and any "negative words" na kung ano ang ipinagpapataw? Ano tawag doon? Superior diba tawag doon na feeling mataas , feeling tama , feeling mabuti at feeling malinis............ pagkatapos nagtutulong-tulungan kayo para ma-prove na hindi pwede makapasok ang bill mismo.
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Maghanap kayo ng malilipatan nyong lugar o bansa na pagbibigyan ang inyong immorality.

Walang pipilit sa inyo na manatili dito sa Pilipinas.
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Kayo lang naman nag-iisip na keyso meron namimilit sa akin na manirahan ako sa Pilipinas. Hindi naman ako pero hindi na kailangan lumipat but if ever.... if ever na meron pagbabago sa norms at culture , matutuwa ako. If ever. If ever lang naman but kung victorious ang kung sino man tao na same ng morality na katulad niyo at katulad ng iba , madali lang naman...... pwede naman ako hindi magparticipate o makiki go with the flow ako. Satisfied na ako.
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See, coming from your own words.​

What I meant is ayusin mo ang pananalita mo. Ganun.

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Sa akin , palibhasa kase , yung mga tao na kung ano man ang nakasanayan o nakagisnan ay hindi nila na-experience ang "reverse sexism" sa kanila. Masubukan lang nila iyon , I am sure , magiging ganun din mararamdaman nila. Sigurado iyan. Hihingi-hingi rin sila ng "rights" , hihingi-hingi din sila ng "special treatment" , gagawa-gawa din ng "group" at maraming iba pa. Dagdag , magsa-suffered sila to the maximum level pagdating sa law na ipapataw na gusto nito ipataw pero hindi makapagpenetrate dahil magkakaroon ng botohan iyan , pagkatapos masasabihan din sila ng mga negative words at masasabihan din sila ng "abnoy" , "abnormal" , "imaginary knowledge" at maraming iba pa then , hindi sila maka-access-access sa gusto nila mangyari sa nakikita ng kanilang mata pagkatapos , nakapag-create sila ng demakmak na "parade" with matching flag and symbol....... ang makikita ko ay ma-frufrustrate sila to the maximum level and there is no option kungdi , hukayin nila ang libingan ni "Paul" para siya na ang taga-saved ng mundo at para machange ang society at mabago ang lahat-lahat.

...kaya maswerte kayong lahat. Nakarating tayo dito.

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[plhbg1]

I know you know what I meant. The fact na ginagamit mo yung word na "SOGIE" to replace the word "gender", it shows how much mental cartwheel ang pinagdadaanan mo para ipaglaban yang ideology na yan.

SOGIE is the chosen gender, gender now is confusing, it could mean anatomical gender or chosen gender, kaya i started using SOGIE and anatomical gender to have a clearer note

Paano mo nasabi maaccelerate? Malinaw na ma backlog lang yan sa dami ng magiging cases. At likely mabaon nlng sa limit ang traumatic experience nung batang girl sa example scenario na yan.

provided na magka totoo yang another claim mong mag backlogs strongly suggests that counter filing of cases is in fact accelerated resulting to a large pile of backlogs

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

SOGIE is the chosen gender, gender now is confusing, it could mean anatomical gender or chosen gender, kay i started using SOGIE and anatomical gender to have a clearer note

See, kahit terminology mo naapektuhan na dahil you are required to accept this ideology to accept the proposals of the bill. Before sogie there is no distinction between "anatomical" and "chosen" gender. All there is is male, female, and 3rd ***. Anti-discrimanatory laws can be drafted with this terminology, pero bakit kailangan ung word na SOGIE? Because it is injecting a belief on people that gender expression is to be honored as per the choice of the person. And we are to ignore their biology.

 

[plhbg1]

See, kahit terminology mo naapektuhan na dahil you are required to accept this ideology to accept the proposals of the bill. Before sogie there is no distinction between "anatomical" and "chosen" gender. All there is is male, female, and 3rd ***. Anti-discrimanatory laws can be drafted with this terminology, pero bakit kailangan ung word na SOGIE? Because it is injecting a belief on people that gender expression is to be honored as per the choice of the person. And we are to ignore their biology.

if you have an issue with my word use then labas na iyan sa SOGIE bill, you don't dictate my reasons for what word to use, i already said my reason but you keep on insisting and dictating that it is not but this is the one, kaya nga siguro takot na takot kayo sa SOGIE bill kasi mahilig kayo mag-impose kahit nagsabi na ang person about himself you still keep insisting your own as if you know more than myself

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

if you have an issue with my word use then labas na iyan sa SOGIE bill, you don't dictate my reasons for what word to use, i already said my reason but you keep on insisting and dictating that it is not but this is the one, kaya nga siguro takot na takot kayo sa SOGIE bill kasi mahilig kayo mag-impose kahit nagsabi na ang person about himself you still keep insisting your own as if you more than myself

What? It is not about you and "your word". I am just demonstrating to you how accepting the SOGIE bill requires a person to change accept a certain ideology when it comes to gender. Pavictim k naman kaagad? Mahirap magkaron ng discussion kung biglang para kang inaapi pag binigyan k ng isang argument na mejo mabigat.
Besides, laws are based on objective truth. When it comes to religion, hindi ba binabalewala mo rin ang arguments based on subjective feelings? Why would it be easier for you to accept a persons' subjective feelings on their gender?

 

[plhbg1]

What? It is not about you and "your word". I am just demonstrating to you how accepting the SOGIE bill requires a person to change accept a certain ideology when it comes to gender. Pavictim k naman kaagad? Mahirap magkaron ng discussion kung biglang para kang inaapi pag binigyan k ng isang argument na mejo mabigat.
Besides, laws are based on objective truth. When it comes to religion, hindi ba binabalewala mo rin ang arguments based on subjective feelings? Why would it be easier for you to accept a persons' subjective feelings on their gender?

this is applicable if i don't know my reason of my word use, i already presented my reason so bakit insist ka pa din that it is due to accepting ideology?

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

this is applicable if i don't know my reason of my word use, i already presented my reason so bakit insist ka pa din that it is due to accepting ideology?

I am not really interested on your personal reason, i am just making you see what is required from a non-supporter of the SOGIE bill to accept it. Tutal galit ka sa mga nag iimpose ng views sa iba, there is no better way to impose your views on others than by making it unlawful to believe otherwise. Yan mismo ang ginagawa ng SOGIE bill. It will be criminalized if you do not accept the ideology put forward within this bill. It will automatically be deemed as discrimination.

In fact, yung mga arguments ko dito, I suspect SOGIE bill supporter are already accusing me of being homophobic at this point, but in fact, I am not. I can appreciate attractiveness regardless of their organs. Pero these belief put forward on the bill is so twisted that it is impossible to have a peaceful conversation about it.

 

[plhbg1]

I am not really interested on your personal reason, i am just making you see what is required from a non-supporter of the SOGIE bill to accept it. Tutal galit ka sa mga nag iimpose ng views sa iba, there is no better way to impose your views on others than by making it unlawful to believe otherwise. Yan mismo ang ginagawa ng SOGIE bill. It will be criminalized if you do not accept the ideology put forward within this bill.

i don't see any ideology that needs accepting here unless you think LGBTQ+ is the one and only SOGIE, and i am here to oppose and not to change your minds, as if i highly value your opinion and need it badly to be changed lol

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

i don't see any ideology that needs accepting here unless you think LGBTQ+ is the only SOGIE, and i am here to oppose and not change your minds, as if a highly value your opinions and need it badly to be changed lol

Like always. Conversation closed, kanya² ng opinyon.. haisss

Anyway salamat sa input.

 

[jessicalanye]

obstruction of justice is also a crime, so wala talagang problema diyan since violence against women and children covers all genders, LGBTQ+ is not exempted from VAWC, at existing na iyan mga counter filing of cases, ginagaya na nga iyan ng mga teleserye, obstruction of justice can always be counter filed against the authoirities

Kaya po pala binubugbog ng Trans MMA Fighter ang mga babae at ang mga bata na naniniwala pa kay santa claus pinuputulan ng mga ari abnoy ka talaga

 

[plhbg1]

Kaya po pala binubugbog ng Trans MMA Fighter ang mga babae at ang mga bata na naniniwala pa kay santa claus pinuputulan ng mga ari abnoy ka talaga

napag-usapan na din iyang about games, it can always be patched with balancing mechanics, about VAWC naman hindi imune ang LGBTQ+ from VAWC cases

 

[jessicalanye]

napag-usapan na din iyang about games, it can always be patched with balancing mechanics, about VAWC naman hindi imune ang LGBTQ+ from VAWC cases

Sa IMAGINARY WORLD ng mga abnoy na gaya mo ρá†ch na ρá†ch po talaga yan pero hindi sa tunay na mundo

 

[plhbg1]

Sa IMAGINARY WORLD ng mga abnoy na gaya mo ρá†ch na ρá†ch po talaga yan pero hindi sa tunay na mundo

they will ρá†ch the games eventually lalo na't more and more countries around the world are passing SOGIE laws

 

[jessicalanye]

they will ρá†ch the games eventually lalo na't more and more countries around the world are passing SOGIE laws

"WILL" = Sa IMAGINATION ng mga baliw na kagaya mo yeah will

 

[plhbg1]

"WILL" = Sa IMAGINATION ng mga baliw na kagaya mo yeah will

takot na nga kayo diba, that strongly suggests that in the future the LGBTQ+ will dominate almost everything and tayong mga straight naman ang maghahanap ng equality, hahanap hanpin din natin ang protection ng SOGIE law

 

[xXmartoXx]

....negative side para sa iyo dahil ikaw lang naman ang meron hawak kung ano ang "negative" para sa iyo. Natural , hindi ko matutuklasan ang sinasabi na "negative side" dahil ikaw lang naman ang may hawak nun. Hindi ako.



Sabihin ko sa inyong lahat , masyado "subjective" ang itinutukoy mo na "morality" ha? Ang mabuti sa inyo ay masama sa amin or kung ano ang masama sa inyo ay mabuti naman sa amin lahat at kahit sa iba-ibang sulok ng kultura at kung ano ang normal sa society ay natural , ganun din.

So walang tao malinis. Same lang tayo lahat pagdating sa superior at mala-dominante ang galawan. So do not judge the book kung ang self ay hindi makita na ganoon din siya.

Superior ha? Nananabi ng kulto (hindi naman alam kung ano ang definition ng kulto) , nananabi ng kababuyan and any "negative words" na kung ano ang ipinagpapataw? Ano tawag doon? Superior diba tawag doon na feeling mataas , feeling tama , feeling mabuti at feeling malinis............ pagkatapos nagtutulong-tulungan kayo para ma-prove na hindi pwede makapasok ang bill mismo.



Kayo lang naman nag-iisip na keyso meron namimilit sa akin na manirahan ako sa Pilipinas. Hindi naman ako pero hindi na kailangan lumipat but if ever.... if ever na meron pagbabago sa norms at culture , matutuwa ako. If ever. If ever lang naman but kung victorious ang kung sino man tao na same ng morality na katulad niyo at katulad ng iba , madali lang naman...... pwede naman ako hindi magparticipate o makiki go with the flow ako. Satisfied na ako.



What I meant is ayusin mo ang pananalita mo. Ganun.

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Sa akin , palibhasa kase , yung mga tao na kung ano man ang nakasanayan o nakagisnan ay hindi nila na-experience ang "reverse sexism" sa kanila. Masubukan lang nila iyon , I am sure , magiging ganun din mararamdaman nila. Sigurado iyan. Hihingi-hingi rin sila ng "rights" , hihingi-hingi din sila ng "special treatment" , gagawa-gawa din ng "group" at maraming iba pa. Dagdag , magsa-suffered sila to the maximum level pagdating sa law na ipapataw na gusto nito ipataw pero hindi makapagpenetrate dahil magkakaroon ng botohan iyan , pagkatapos masasabihan din sila ng mga negative words at masasabihan din sila ng "abnoy" , "abnormal" , "imaginary knowledge" at maraming iba pa then , hindi sila maka-access-access sa gusto nila mangyari sa nakikita ng kanilang mata pagkatapos , nakapag-create sila ng demakmak na "parade" with matching flag and symbol....... ang makikita ko ay ma-frufrustrate sila to the maximum level and there is no option kungdi , hukayin nila ang libingan ni "Paul" para siya na ang taga-saved ng mundo at para machange ang society at mabago ang lahat-lahat.

...kaya maswerte kayong lahat. Nakarating tayo dito.

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takot na nga kayo diba, that strongly suggests that in the future the LGBTQ+ will dominate almost everything and tayong mga straight naman ang maghahanap ng equality, hahanap hanpin din natin ang protection ng SOGIE law

Yung karamihang reply dito ng mga anti-SOGIE bill, back up by evidencre and results.

Yung sa inyong dalawa back-up by pure bias opinion lang.

Closing this thread as a result of bias opinion ninyong dalawa..

 

[plhbg1]

Yung karamihang reply dito ng mga anti-SOGIE bill, back up by evidencre and results.

Yung sa inyong dalawa back-up by pure bias opinion lang.

Closing this thread as a result of bias opinion ninyong dalawa..

hindi pa ba sapat na evidence ang panginginig ninyo sa takot? hehe in fact kayo na nagsabi na nag start na mag dominate ang LGBTQ+

dumadami na din yung mga city ordinances, kaya win win pa din kahit walang national law

 

[dummy01]

To expand further on this idea, this is also hurtful to those transgenders who can't afford surgery. Besides the bill (when passed into a law) being already biased towards gender non-conforming people, it will also be biased exclusively to those who are already well off.

Ironically, the bill was meant to be an inclusive bill, but will be exclusive to the rich LBGTQ members.

100%. The intention of the bill may be good in the surface but once implemented, anyone who questions or disagrees to LGBT movement may be incriminated on the basis of discrimination. To think that you would have a society that caters on the minorities at the expense of the majority is a straightway path to tyranny. I have contempt to the proponents of the bill who assumes common people are not capable of discerning its ulterior motives when these people insist the bill to be passed. The irony is that those who are noisy and obsessed to have a tolerant society, they are the intolerant ones.

Edit: I almost craved for popcorn when I read your conversations with someone who is ideologically possessed. It shows your patience and passion to demo the critical elements of the bill. Oh, a simple tip for the term 'gender based on biology'. You may use the word 's3x' instead, since the term 'gender' is widely used in political jargon in order to affirm to an ideology that claim 'gender is a social construct'. I'm surprised that you mentioned Dr. Money here. David Reimer is probably grateful for you for reminding us not to forget his tragedy in the hand of this immoral doctor.

 

[xXmartoXx]

100%. The intention of the bill may be good in the surface but once implemented, anyone who questions or disagrees to LGBT movement may be incriminated on the basis of discrimination. To think that you would have a society that caters on the minorities at the expense of the majority is a straightway path to tyranny. I have contempt to the proponents of the bill who assumes common people are not capable of discerning its ulterior motives when these people insist the bill to be passed. The irony is that those who are noisy and obsessed to have a tolerant society, they are the intolerant ones.

Edit: I almost craved for popcorn when I read your conversations with someone who is ideologically possessed. It shows your patience and passion to demo the critical elements of the bill. Oh, a simple tip for the term 'gender based on biology'. You may use the word 's3x' instead, since the term 'gender' is widely used in political jargon in order to affirm to an ideology that claim 'gender is a social construct'. I'm surprised that you mentioned Dr. Money here. David Reimer is probably grateful for you for reminding us not to forget his tragedy in the hand of this immoral doctor.

Edit: Hindi nagegets nung mga abnoy(Decieved) na kapag naging batas na yan(sogie bill).

Para na itong fantasy drama at chaos sa filing cases.

At hindi talaga nila napansin na umuuwi pa rin sila sa old basis na batas sa mga arguments nila, in terms of human rights. At sa huli hindi na pala kailangan yung panibagong bill na yan tungkol daw kuno sa "DISCRIMINATION" which is front lang nila to DECIEVED norms or victims.

At hindi rin makapaglabas ng evidence na kailangan pa talaga ang SOGIE bill na yan ng norms, kasi ang interior motives pala nyan ay to counter the cases against them(culprits).

As I said, this thread may close due to pure bias opinion ng dalawang abnoy.