Who is persecuting who? Sino ang nag-uusig kanino?

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Wag mong ekompara ang Marxist Woke sa Christianity. Woke bastards force their beliefs and use all means including political power and authoritarian regime to abuse power to others. Christianity never forces their beliefs.

Nag aral ka ba ng basic Philippine history? Na encounter mo ba ang El Filibusterismo?
Nagawi ka na ba sa INC dominated region sa Norte? Hindi mo kailangan pumunta sa malayo makikita mo yan..

Pano pa kaya ang history ng USA at ang atake nito sa middle east? At ng Europe nung Renaissance period?

I know wala din kwenta yan sinasabi ko, dahil sa worldview mo hindi sila tunay o wastong kristyano. Kung criticsm sa mismong sekta mo wala nmn akong maibabato kung hindi child SA ng mga myembro nito which you will have justification for.

 

[GildartsTale]

Nag aral ka ba ng basic Philippine history? Na encounter mo ba ang El Filibusterismo?
Nagawi ka na ba sa INC dominated region sa Norte? Hindi mo kailangan pumunta sa malayo makikita mo yan..

Pano pa kaya ang history ng USA at ang atake nito sa middle east? At ng Europe nung Renaissance period?

I know wala din kwenta yan sinasabi ko, dahil sa worldview mo hindi sila tunay o wastong kristyano. Kung criticsm sa mismong sekta mo wala nmn akong maibabato kung hindi child SA ng mga myembro nito which you will have justification for.

Please don't pretend na walang peki sa mundong to. Marami nga dyan pretending to be a woman but are not. Let's not deceive ourselves. Counterfeits are everywhere. The more nagiging sikat, the more nangagaya ang karamihan. Christianity is biggest religion of the world, do you really think no one would copy to make money/power/fame out of it? It blows my mind that this is even a conversation.

 

[jayendecastro]

Please don't pretend na walang peki sa mundong to. Marami nga dyan pretending to be a woman but are not. Let's not deceive ourselves. Counterfeits are everywhere. The more nagiging sikat, the more nangagaya ang karamihan. Christianity is biggest religion of the world, do you really think no one would copy to make money/power/fame out of it? It blows my mind that this is even a conversation.

So which christians exactly are u referring to na persecuted dun sa article na minention mo about nigeria?? Inexclude mo ung kamo eh “counterfeit christians” eh… catholics ba?? Baptists?? Presbyterians??

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Please don't pretend na walang peki sa mundong to. Marami nga dyan pretending to be a woman but are not. Let's not deceive ourselves. Counterfeits are everywhere. The more nagiging sikat, the more nangagaya ang karamihan. Christianity is biggest religion of the world, do you really think no one would copy to make money/power/fame out of it? It blows my mind that this is even a conversation.

Paano mo na deduce na nagppretend akong walang peke? Para lang malinawan ka, sa POV ng isang atheist walang tunay na religion dahil walang objective reasoning para masabing tunay ang isang relihiyon. Therefore lahat yan ay peke. Lahat ng paniniwalang ganyan ay mitolohiya.

 

[GildartsTale]

So which christians exactly are u referring to na persecuted dun sa article na minention mo about nigeria?? Inexclude mo ung kamo eh “counterfeit christians” eh… catholics ba?? Baptists?? Presbyterians??

Catholics are counterfeit, majority yung nasa articles ay pentecostals/charismatic/reformed/baptist

Paano mo na deduce na nagppretend akong walang peke? Para lang malinawan ka, sa POV ng isang atheist walang tunay na religion dahil walang objective reasoning para masabing tunay ang isang relihiyon. Therefore lahat yan ay peke. Lahat ng paniniwalang ganyan ay mitolohiya.

Peke pala sayo lahat ng religion. Eh, pano ko rin paniniwalaan sinasabi mo about religion?

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Catholics are counterfeit, majority yung nasa articles ay pentecostals/charismatic/reformed/baptist


Peke pala sayo lahat ng religion. Eh, pano ko rin paniniwalaan sinasabi mo about religion?

Yet you use the bible, which was compiled by Catholics? And you use arguments formulated by protestant apologetics?

At teka? Sating dalawa ikaw ang nanghihikayat na paniwalaan ang claims ng religion mo, which therefore means na dapat yung turo ng religion mo ang mag govern sa buhay ng mga tao. I am not claiming any of that, bakit ko kailangan manlimos na paniniwala mo? I am simply telling you my doubts about claims of any religion which is why i am an atheist..

 

[jayendecastro]

Catholics are counterfeit, majority yung nasa articles ay pentecostals/charismatic/reformed/baptist

There was no mention ng pentecostals/charismatic/reformef/baptist dun sa article i think.. sang part dun ang sinasabi mo na yan??

Ironically, catholics were mentioned dun who for you kamo eh counterfeit.. so again aling christians ang persecuted sa article mo about nigeria??

Or baka ur claiming ung persecution ng counterfeit christians as ur own…

 

[GildartsTale]

Yet you use the bible, which was compiled by Catholics? And you use arguments formulated by protestant apologetics?

At teka? Sating dalawa ikaw ang nanghihikayat na paniwalaan ang claims ng religion mo, which therefore means na dapat yung turo ng religion mo ang mag govern sa buhay ng mga tao. I am not claiming any of that, bakit ko kailangan manlimos na paniniwala mo? I am simply telling you my doubts about claims of any religion which is why i am an atheist..

Yes, Basically.

Hindi naman ako nanghihikayat. Ikaw tong ng post diba? I am just saying some facts that Christians are persecuted more than you can possibly imagine as an atheist. We are censored and canceled everywhere. It is a fact.

There was no mention ng pentecostals/charismatic/reformef/baptist dun sa article i think.. sang part dun ang sinasabi mo na yan??

Ironically, catholics were mentioned dun who for you kamo eh counterfeit.. so again aling christians ang persecuted sa article mo about nigeria??

Or baka ur claiming ung persecution ng counterfeit christians as ur own…

Example lang naman ang nigeria, if binasa mo talaga lahat sana.

Just because chatolic mass lang na mention dun wala ng ibang denomination sa nigeria. as long as you bear the name christianity kahit false kapa or hindi you will still be persecuted.

It just shows that when you bear the name of Christ you are persecuted.

What differs from the True Christianity and to the counterfiets are the way we live. proper understanding of the doctrines will lead to a proper lifestyle. false understanding of the the doctrines will lead to a false application.

You will see them by their fruits.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Yes, Basically.

Hindi naman ako nanghihikayat. Ikaw tong ng post diba? I am just saying some facts that Christians are persecuted more than you can possibly imagine as an atheist. We are censored and canceled everywhere. It is a fact.

How could that be a fact if christians are doing the same thing? Alam mo ba na yang mga woke at marxist ay nag subscibe sa ideologies na yan because of christian harassment, guilt trip, harassment and general na panghihimasok sa personal nilang buhay?
Again, not to say I agree with their ideology because I am on the same fence as you sa usaping ito, but the point is they are capable as playing victim to persecution as christians are.

 

[jayendecastro]

Yes, Basically.

Hindi naman ako nanghihikayat. Ikaw tong ng post diba? I am just saying some facts that Christians are persecuted more than you can possibly imagine as an atheist. We are censored and canceled everywhere. It is a fact.

Yan christians sa nigeria.. so excluding ung sabi mong counterfeit catholics alin ja

Yes, Basically.

Hindi naman ako nanghihikayat. Ikaw tong ng post diba? I am just saying some facts that Christians are persecuted more than you can possibly imagine as an atheist. We are censored and canceled everywhere. It is a fact.


Example lang naman ang nigeria, if binasa mo talaga lahat sana.

Just because chatolic mass lang na mention dun wala ng ibang denomination sa nigeria. as long as you bear the name christianity kahit false kapa or hindi you will still be persecuted.

It just shows that when you bear the name of Christ you are persecuted.

dont me na kung binasa ko lang talaga lahat sana when ikaw tong nagsasabi ng stuff na wala naman dun sa article na u urself provided as sample kamo…

Im aware nA madami nga denomination kaya nga im asking u which one eh

Yan christians in nigeria yan.. alin jan ang counterfeits?? Alin jan ang persecuted christians na sinasabi mo??

So un nga din ending pala…u also acknowledge yung persecution ng ibang christians na for u eh counterfeit… bat di mo na din iclaim ang persecutions ng non christians para mas compelling

 

[GildartsTale]

How could that be a fact if christians are doing the same thing? Alam mo ba na yang mga woke at marxist ay nag subscibe sa ideologies na yan because of christian harassment, guilt trip, harassment and general na panghihimasok sa personal nilang buhay?
Again, not to say I agree with their ideology because I am on the same fence as you sa usaping ito, but the point is they are capable as playing victim to persecution as christians are.

Again, we are not doing the same thing.

Marxists are forcing their beliefs on others by means. Using media, politics, etc.. by enticing the so-called oppressed people/minority people. But are they really oppressed or made to believe they are?
Marxist Woke ideology forces people to bow to their beliefs using censorship and cancel culture. They use legislative power so that if you don't follow you will be punished.

Did Christianity ever do that? Yes, we are vocal about what we believe but we never use force to bring people to us not even close.

jayendecastro


Like I said, Anglicans are reformed. Assemblies of God are Pentecostals/Charismatics. Baptists mostly are Reformed. The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations are Charismatics.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Did Christianity ever do that? Yes, we are vocal about what we believe but we never use force to bring people to us not even close.

Oo naman. Sobrang ingrained sa buhay natin ang christianity. Alam mo bang binuo ang "separation of church and state" for the benefit of the church? It is not simply legislative.. it is constitutional. Sadyang nasa position lng tayo ng panahon kung saan ang mga batas ay oriented na sa benefit ng religion.

Kung hindi gumagamit ng kapangyarihan ang christianity, bakit bawal padin ang abortion at ang gay marriage? Hindi ba exertion of legislative power and influence din ang pag harang dyan?

 

[GildartsTale]

Oo naman. Sobrang ingrained sa buhay natin ang christianity. Alam mo bang binuo ang "separation of church and state" for the benefit of the church? It is not simply legislative.. it is constitutional. Sadyang nasa position lng tayo ng panahon kung saan ang mga batas ay oriented na sa benefit ng religion.

Kung hindi gumagamit ng kapangyarihan ang christianity, bakit bawal padin ang abortion at ang gay marriage? Hindi ba exertion of legislative power and influence din ang pag harang dyan?

Goods naman ang "separation of church and state" dahil magkaiba naman ang agenda ng church at ng government. At in fairness the values and morals that the church teaches are for the good of mankind example na jan ang "10 Commandments". At di mo masasabi na wala itong pakinabang sa ating bansa.

Though di naman talaga maiiwasan na sometimes the church when have the power, eh nagiging abusive na.

Yan namang issue ng abortion is a matter of morality. Its just that, the influence of the church giving value to human life. Kaya di talaga yan pwde sa mga countries that are influenced by Christianity. Then again, it is influenced not using force so that the government will follow. Same goes with gay marriage.

At, hindi man lang Christians are against abortion and gay marriage. Yung mga tao na traditionalist are opposing too.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Yan namang issue ng abortion is a matter of morality. Its just that, the influence of the church giving value to human life. Kaya di talaga yan pwde sa mga countries that are influenced by Christianity. Then again, it is influenced not using force so that the government will follow. Same goes with gay marriage.

Sure I get that. Pero ang pinupunto ko the fact na hindi yan naaprobahan sa Pinas shows the power and influence of the religion, swaying legislative rulings to their favor. Kaya Hindi mo masasabing iba ang gawa ng christians sa mga woke at marxist. They are both guilty of the desire to control others and compel others to live their own lifestyle.

This is to point out that christians are not in the position to claim that they are the "most persecuted" because persecuting is baked into their belief.

Technically, it is more of a fact na church of satan ang most persecuted group, and the least persecuting of others kung titignan mo yung belief system nila.

 

[jayendecastro]

Again, we are not doing the same thing.

Marxists are forcing their beliefs on others by means. Using media, politics, etc.. by enticing the so-called oppressed people/minority people. But are they really oppressed or made to believe they are?
Marxist Woke ideology forces people to bow to their beliefs using censorship and cancel culture. They use legislative power so that if you don't follow you will be punished.

Did Christianity ever do that? Yes, we are vocal about what we believe but we never use force to bring people to us not even close.

jayendecastro


Like I said, Anglicans are reformed. Assemblies of God are Pentecostals/Charismatics. Baptists mostly are Reformed. The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations are Charismatics.

U said earlier na biggest religion ang christianity kaya din ito kinokopya for watever reason ng ibang “counterfeit” christians.. so among jan sa mga sinabi mo na, i guess, authentic christians ilang percentage sila ng sinasabi mong biggest religion sa mundo??? Or are u once again including ALL christians regardless kung for you counterfeit sila para lang masabi na biggest kayo??


For something na u called “biggest” religion eh mukang mas malaking portion pa ung sabi mong “counterfeit”… wat was it so said about the more nagiging sikat the more ginagaya?? Hmmmm

Goods naman ang "separation of church and state" dahil magkaiba naman ang agenda ng church at ng government. At in fairness the values and morals that the church teaches are for the good of mankind example na jan ang "10 Commandments". At di mo masasabi na wala itong pakinabang sa ating bansa.

Though di naman talaga maiiwasan na sometimes the church when have the power, eh nagiging abusive na.

Yan namang issue ng abortion is a matter of morality. Its just that, the influence of the church giving value to human life. Kaya di talaga yan pwde sa mga countries that are influenced by Christianity. Then again, it is influenced not using force so that the government will follow. Same goes with gay marriage.

At, hindi man lang Christians are against abortion and gay marriage. Yung mga tao na traditionalist are opposing too.

10 commandments ba kamo?? All 10 ba beneficial yan sa bansa? Ung ibang utos jan u think wala pang ganong mga restrictions sa society before those commandments were laid out??

 

[stellarium]

halos lahat naman ng religion iyan ang sinasabi, "Pag uusig" ang terminong yan madalas ko madinig yan noon dinodoktrinahan ako sa INC na kapag na bautismuhan daw kami ay makakaranas kami ng pag-uusig na isa daw paraan ng pag subok ng diyos kung kami ay titibay sa aming pananampalataya o pipiliin namin matisod ni Satanas Sa islam ay ganyan din, but what seperate them from other christian denominations is their Hadiyah - its a form of gift from your islamic community na may pinaka mababang halaga na 10,000php, na magagamit mo panimula kung sakali man itakwil o usigin ka ng iyong pamilya at mga kaibigan o kamag anak.

Anyway common naman iyan, kahit saan bansa kung sino ang minority, yung ang marginalized yun ang inuusig. Common na din naman yung mangaral talaga ang mga religionists madalas nga kahit sa inoman kapag may tropa ka na religious kapag nalasing lalong nagiging banal at nag aasal pastor at pastora Pag ganyan tawanan mo na lang ako kasi after nila mangaral saken tinatawanan ko na lang sila sabay tugon na God Less you Kapatid.

 

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