Closed Why Do Some Scientists Believe in God?

[jayendecastro]

San mo nmn natutunan yan? Nirerelate mo ba ung inhumane act nayan sa Faith at sa Diyos?

Well Kung magsisimula ka ng ganyan eh sige..papatulan kita.

Ung mga scientist noon ay gumagamit ng tao para sa research nila. Ilang tao naba ang namatay dahil sa science? Ilang tao naba ang pinaexperimentuhan? Libo-libo..baka nga milyon milyon pa.

Now. Kayong mga atheist. Baket antaas ng suicide rate sa hanay nyo? Bat andame sa inyo ang drug addict or alcohl and nicotine dependent? Bat malaking porsyento nyo ay battling depression and anxiety problem? Ilan pa sa inyo ang gagawa ng self harm sa future? Then you are contemplating that the world will be a better place without religion yet you are killing yourselves everyday.

Nasan ung "better" dyan?

Tapos tuturuan nyo ung iba to be like you. Hindi lang kayo suicidal, semi murderer pa.

Ung sinasabi ng sinagot mo neto was not talking bout scientific experiments. Basahin mo mabuti bfore "patulan" kamo..

Tska mahilig ka ata sa movies masyado...alamin mo muna ang scientific process bago mo iaassume na libo or milyon ang naging part ng human testing..may proseso yan bfore u can get to that point. Bka nakita mo yan sa mga scifi movies...hahaha

Sge..provide mo yang data mo ng suicide rate na sinasabi mo ng mga atheist..take note na siningle out mo ang mga atheist jan ha .
Try mo magpakulong. Bilangin mo dun ang ang tattoo ng rosary, mary,jesus and stuff.

Gusto ko lang malaman ang source mo jan sa sinabi mong data...

Bka nga di mo alam ung kahalubilo mo atheist na eh..hahaha

Semi murderer?? Panong semi??hahaha

 

[Eyes Cream]

Nope. Pag ang mga doctor, siyestista at iba pang nasa field ng science na gumagamit ng salitang "It's a miracle" pertaining to things they can't understand nor they can't see how this happen cause it's very impossible, then they are acknowledging something that is "magical".

May kanya kanya tayong paniniwala wala kang karapatang mag nope sa comment ko... mind your own belief -.- nakakairita. May kunware matalino nanaman tapos in real life high school student na mahilig mag ML. duhhh

 

[PleaseInsertUsername]

Ung sinasabi ng sinagot mo neto was not talking bout scientific experiments. Basahin mo mabuti bfore "patulan" kamo..

Tska mahilig ka ata sa môviês masyado...alamin mo muna ang scientific process bago mo iaassume na libo or milyon ang naging part ng human testing..may proseso yan bfore u can get to that point. Bka nakita mo yan sa mga scifi môviês...hahaha

Sge..provide mo yang data mo ng suicide rate na sinasabi mo ng mga atheist..take note na siningle out mo ang mga atheist jan ha .
Try mo magpakulong. Bilangin mo dun ang ang tattoo ng rosary, mary,jesus and stuff.

Gusto ko lang malaman ang source mo jan sa sinabi mong data...

Bka nga di mo alam ung kahalubilo mo atheist na eh..hahaha

Semi murderer?? Panong semi??hahaha

Hey.

I'll make this as formal as possible yet very straight forward and not child friendly. I hope you don't mind since I believed that you aint a child anymore, pertaining to your primary pic that is a little woman.

1. Sabi mo kailangan mo ng data about unhumane human exp. Ayan sa baba ung mga link. Take note that in every exp, they used at least hundred human. Multiply it to every accurance making it at least a thousand victim. Take note also that it is NOT YET the whole data. This is JUST SOME that is available right now.

Hindi ko Lang sa movie napanood yan, napagaralan ko din sa loob ng classroom.

Besides, Kung may alam ka talaga sa experiment process dapat Alam mo na they need A LOT na participants in every exp. They should fill at least 3 group. Ranging from, Placebo, Controlled, Experimental etc. Hindi din advicable to have 1 participant per variable. The more participants you have the better. Maybe you really don't have any idea about this or you've been lying to yourself. Sabagay, majority nmn ng atheist walang idea at sinungaling. Prove me wrong.

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2. I did mention about atheism na mataas ang suicide rates. Here is the exact words from your fellow atheist Staks Rosch na Isa ding humanist.

_Depression is a serious problem with in the greater atheist community and far too often, that depression has led to suicide. This is something many of my fellow atheists often don’t like to admit, but it is true. I know a lot of atheists, myself included, would all like to believe that atheists are happier people than religious believers and in many ways we are. But we also have to accept the reality that in some very important ways we are not. _

Those are words from YOUR people NOT mine.

Now, 3 problema ang prinesent ko sa taas.
1. Suicide rates.
2. Alcohl and Drug Dependent.
3. Mental disorder, like depression and anxiety.

Isa lang dun sa 3 ung naka-focus ka. Sa isang dialogo, Hindi mo ilalagay ang sarili mo sa isang situation na magiging alanganin ka. Magkakaroon ka Kasi ng 2 problema, either magsisinungaling ka para di ka mahuli but if you're not a good liar eh mahuhuli ka O aaminin mong totoo ang nakasaad kaso wala kang makitang way to counter it Kaya di mo nalang bibigyan ng attention. Sa lagay mo, pakiramdam ko, pinili mo ung pareho.

May MGA kaibigan akong atheist (hindi ako mapili sa Tao). And I will say that they are self harming. Madalas silang lasing or nagyoyosi. Ung isa hula ko ay user din, di nya inaamin, di Rin nya dineny. Madalas din sya mag joke about being high. Ung Isa may pamilya na tapos cheater pa. Nangutang din sakin un tapos di nagbayad. PERSONAL na experience ko to, and as per my exp masasabi kong may mali sakanila. Pero naggeneralized bako? Hindi. Then ive met some atheist PERSONALLY at through ONLINE world (lalo na sa UP) na ANDALAS nilang mag-open ang topic about mental health and suicide. Some already did. And then I realized, kung etong maliit na faction nato ay ganito, pano pa ang kabuuan neto.

I would firmly believe na walang mabuting nadudulot ang atheism sa utak ng Tao. Sabagay, anung "future" ang aasamin mo kung naniniwala kang "limited" ka by time at "lacking" by faith. Faithless ka na sa future at sa sarili mo. Again, I dare you, PROVE ME WRONG.

3. Sinabi mo din na baka mahilig ako sa movies. So far dito kalang tumama. Mahilig ako manood ng movies, ng documentaries, ng Talk at magbasa ng libro. At may nabasa akong ganito.

Faith of the Fatherless: The Psychology of Atheism by Paul Vitz.

Ngayon tatanungin Kita. Do you have good relationship with your Dad? Kasi ung mga atheist friends ko, ISA lang ung sigurado akong may kahit papano ay may magandang relasyon sa tatay nya. Ung iba iniiwasan ung topic Kasi either iniwan sila ng tatay nila, pinalayas sa bahay o binugbog. Now, PROVE ME WRONG.

Nga pla. Wag ka sanang magpaligoy-ligoy sa sagot. Hindi ikaw ang unang atheist na nakausap ko, hindi ikaw ang huli. Madalas din ako sa debate (bagay na nakasanayan ko na ata) at ALAM ko na kung paano kayo sumagot. Let's be all grown up here and be direct to the point. Inisa-isa ko ung mga tanong mo. Isa-isahin mo din ang sagot mo nang DIREKTA. Aminin mo kung Tama ako at aaminin ko din kung Tama ka(kung may magiging Tama ka man) kung saka-sakali.

Aasa akong lohikal ka mag-isip dahil madalas ka makipagtalastasan sa mga THREAD na ganito (kahit wordy ka masyado na Wala nmn sense minsan, sorry).

 

[Eyes Cream]

Nope. Pag ang mga doctor, siyestista at iba pang nasa field ng science na gumagamit ng salitang "It's a miracle" pertaining to things they can't understand nor they can't see how this happen cause it's very impossible, then they are acknowledging something that is "magical".

Manood ka muna ng " Ancient Aliens " bago ka mag comment dyan palibhasa kasi hindi mo alam kung ano na ang natutunan ng mga tao dito e. May mga alam kami sa ganyan at alam kong walang maniniwala kapag sinubukan kong makipag talo dito kaya ang payo ko sayo panoorin mo ng actual.. Sa TV series na yan Inexplain lahat about sa mundo natin hindi sila puro theory lang puro science facts din in fact sobrang dami na ng season nila " AnCIENT ALIEN " lang ang may lakas ng loob mag bulgar ng science facts regarding sa mundo natin. At ito din ang pinaka sikat na kayang mag explain sa kung ano ang mga tanong mo sa isip. Kailangan lang ng tyaga sa panonood. Try mo yung episode 1 ng season 1 nila ewan ko lang kung hindi ka mabaliw at manood ulit ng next episode... yung mga pinagtatalunan nyo dito nasagot na doon lahat kaya para walang pagtatalo panoorin nyo... At Thumbs up sa mga nakapanood na nito I know madami din kayo natutunan kagaya ko.

 

[_no08One_]

Well-organized talaga, pero sino naman kaya ang tinatrato nilang Diyos?

Si isaac newton na well-known sa kanyang laws of gravity. Sya ay isang orthodox christian.

 

[PleaseInsertUsername]

Manood ka muna ng " Ancient Aliens " bago ka mag comment dyan palibhasa kasi hindi mo alam kung ano na ang natutunan ng mga tao dito e. May mga alam kami sa ganyan at alam kong walang maniniwala kapag sinubukan kong makipag talo dito kaya ang payo ko sayo panoorin mo ng actual.. Sa TV series na yan Inexplain lahat about sa mundo natin hindi sila puro theory lang puro science facts din in fact sobrang dami na ng season nila " AnCIENT ALIEN " lang ang may lakas ng loob mag bulgar ng science facts regarding sa mundo natin. At ito din ang pinaka sikat na kayang mag explain sa kung ano ang mga tanong mo sa isip. Kailangan lang ng tyaga sa panonood. Try mo yung episode 1 ng season 1 nila ewan ko lang kung hindi ka mabaliw at manood ulit ng next episode... yung mga pinagtatalunan nyo dito nasagot na doon lahat kaya para walang pagtatalo panoorin nyo... At Thumbs up sa mga nakapanood na nito I know madami din kayo natutunan kagaya ko.

Kung di ako nagkakamali ay ang pinagtatalunan dito ay "scientist believing in God", correct me if I'm wrong pero di ba un?

Regarding "Ancient Aliens" Sabi mo they are also providing facts and theory. Ipinasok mo ung idea sa sinabi kong some Man of Science says "it's a miracle" after seeing something na nangyayari kahit impossible. Exp, rising of those dead people after more than 10 hrs nang patay. It's happening worldwide actually. Ans that is just one thing. Now, since you are advocating that show, and you said na ung mga bagay na napag-usapan dito ay NAPAG-USAPAN NA DUN and they provided enough evidence dun. Then can you please give me link tingkol sa topic at hand, I mean dead rising from death. I'm also hoping to find scientific TRUTH naproven na ng science at HINDI THEORY NOR HYPOTHESIS. Yan ang gusto kong panoorin, tho skeptic akong panoorin Kasi Sabi mo baka mabaliw ako. Naisip ko din na baka baliw kana ba? Sorry, medyo keen lang ako sa details.

I'll appreciate din kung dito mo sa thread isesend para mapanood ng iba.

 

[PleaseInsertUsername]

Wala sa mga sinabi mo ang fine tuning premise ..hahahaha

If god fine-tuned the universe..not just "mundo"...then if we as mere humans can alter it kaya ngkakaron kamo ng disasters then ang poor nman nf quality ng pagkakafine tune nea.

Extinction?? Then san na dun ang fine tuning for life if un din ang ending?

And pls... Natural disasters are by definition NATURAL... iba sa man made... Insert mo pa si adan at eba which doesnt make any sense

This is the definition of FINE TUNING.

In theoretical physics, fine-tuning is the process in which parameters of a model must be adjusted very precisely in order to fit with certain observations.

Now, nagsimula ang topic sa "Creation" na pinasukan mo ng Analogy about You having a Car and "tuning" it to perform better. Clearly, you FAILED sa idea kasi "Creation" ung topic at hand. Dapat na Analogy mo ay "Car Companies building a Car." kaso syempre di ka papayag dun kasi mahuhuli ka sa idea na WALANG KOTSENG nagawa mag-isa. Nagsisimula nakong di mo alam ang analogy.

Then, pinasok ko ung Analogy ko about HOW NATURE/UNIVERSE/GOD WILL FIX THINGS BY KILLING HUMANITY WHICH IS A PRECISE ADJUSTMENT IN ORDER TO SAVE THOSE WHO ARE NOT CAUSING WORLD'S DESTRUCTION.

So san ang mali dyan?
O kasali ka sa common atheist mind na may problema sa terminology ng mga salita?

 

[PleaseInsertUsername]

May kanya kanya tayong paniniwala wala kang karapatang mag nope sa comment ko... mind your own belief -.- nakakairita. May kunware matalino nanaman tapos in real life high school student na mahilig mag ML. duhhh

Naiirita ka na nag NOPE ako which is another term for NO. San ka dyan naoffend? I mean, kahit bata sinasabi yan. Naooffend ka sa normal term? I mean wala ngang degrading dyan eh. Ni Hindi nga mura yan. Ang onion mo nmn ate/kuya/bakla (sensya baka kasi magalet kadin kung sabihin kong "ate" ka un pala "trans" ka kasi ganun naman now diba? Kailangan politically correct ka lagi. Bawal ka mangoffend, kahit Wala nmn offensive sa sinabi ko, kahit sa mga taong kumpleto na ang buhok sa katawan unless inaahit nila).

Besides,Hindi nako high school. Wala nako sa eskwelahan. Isa sa natutunan ko dun ay "walang talino sa kaartehan".

 

[_no08One_]

This is the definition of FINE TUNING.

In theoretical physics, fine-tuning is the process in which parameters of a model must be adjusted very precisely in order to fit with certain observations.

Now, nagsimula ang topic sa "Creation" na pinasukan mo ng Analogy about You having a Car and "tuning" it to perform better. Clearly, you FAILED sa idea kasi "Creation" ung topic at hand. Dapat na Analogy mo ay "Car Companies building a Car." kaso syempre di ka papayag dun kasi mahuhuli ka sa idea na WALANG KOTSENG nagawa mag-isa. Nagsisimula nakong di mo alam ang analogy.

Then, pinasok ko ung Analogy ko about HOW NATURE/UNIVERSE/GOD WILL FIX THINGS BY KILLING HUMANITY WHICH IS A PRECISE ADJUSTMENT IN ORDER TO SAVE THOSE WHO ARE NOT CAUSING WORLD'S DESTRUCTION.

So san ang mali dyan?
O kasali ka sa common atheist mind na may problema sa terminology ng mga salita?

Masasabi ba natin tapos na ang fine tuning? Mukhang imbalance na kasi ang mundo ngkakaron pa ng climate change na palala.

 

[jayendecastro]

Hey.

I'll make this as formal as possible yet very straight forward and not child friendly. I hope you don't mind since I believed that you aint a child anymore, pertaining to your primary pic that is a little woman.

1. Sabi mo kailangan mo ng data about unhumane human exp. Ayan sa baba ung mga link. Take note that in every exp, they used at least hundred human. Multiply it to every accurance making it at least a thousand victim. Take note also that it is NOT YET the whole data. This is JUST SOME that is available right now.

Hindi ko Lang sa môviê napanood yan, napagaralan ko din sa loob ng classroom.

Besides, Kung may alam ka talaga sa experiment process dapat Alam mo na they need A LOT na participants in every exp. They should fill at least 3 group. Ranging from, Placebo, Controlled, Experimental etc. Hindi din advicable to have 1 participant per variable. The more participants you have the better. Maybe you really don't have any idea about this or you've been lying to yourself. Sabagay, majority nmn ng atheist walang idea at sinungaling. Prove me wrong.

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2. I did mention about atheism na mataas ang suicide rates. Here is the exact words from your fellow atheist Staks Rosch na Isa ding humanist.

_Depression is a serious problem with in the greater atheist community and far too often, that depression has led to suicide. This is something many of my fellow atheists often don’t like to admit, but it is true. I know a lot of atheists, myself included, would all like to believe that atheists are happier people than religious believers and in many ways we are. But we also have to accept the reality that in some very important ways we are not. _

Those are words from YOUR people NOT mine.

Now, 3 problema ang prinesent ko sa taas.
1. Suicide rates.
2. Alcohl and Drug Dependent.
3. Mental disorder, like depression and anxiety.

Isa lang dun sa 3 ung naka-focus ka. Sa isang dialogo, Hindi mo ilalagay ang sarili mo sa isang situation na magiging alanganin ka. Magkakaroon ka Kasi ng 2 problema, either magsisinungaling ka para di ka mahuli but if you're not a good liar eh mahuhuli ka O aaminin mong totoo ang nakasaad kaso wala kang makitang way to counter it Kaya di mo nalang bibigyan ng attention. Sa lagay mo, pakiramdam ko, pinili mo ung pareho.

May MGA kaibigan akong atheist (hindi ako mapili sa Tao). And I will say that they are self harming. Madalas silang lasing or nagyoyosi. Ung isa hula ko ay user din, di nya inaamin, di Rin nya dineny. Madalas din sya mag joke about being high. Ung Isa may pamilya na tapos cheater pa. Nangutang din sakin un tapos di nagbayad. PERSONAL na experience ko to, and as per my exp masasabi kong may mali sakanila. Pero naggeneralized bako? Hindi. Then ive met some atheist PERSONALLY at through ONLINE world (lalo na sa UP) na ANDALAS nilang mag-open ang topic about mental health and suicide. Some already did. And then I realized, kung etong maliit na faction nato ay ganito, pano pa ang kabuuan neto.

I would firmly believe na walang mabuting nadudulot ang atheism sa utak ng Tao. Sabagay, anung "future" ang aasamin mo kung naniniwala kang "limited" ka by time at "lacking" by faith. Faithless ka na sa future at sa sarili mo. Again, I dare you, PROVE ME WRONG.

3. Sinabi mo din na baka mahilig ako sa môviês. So far dito kalang tumama. Mahilig ako manood ng môviês, ng documentaries, ng Talk at magbasa ng libro. At may nabasa akong ganito.

Faith of the Fatherless: The Psychology of Atheism by Paul Vitz.

Ngayon tatanungin Kita. Do you have good relationship with your Dad? Kasi ung mga atheist friends ko, ISA lang ung sigurado akong may kahit papano ay may magandang relasyon sa tatay nya. Ung iba iniiwasan ung topic Kasi either iniwan sila ng tatay nila, pinalayas sa bahay o binugbog. Now, PROVE ME WRONG.

Nga pla. Wag ka sanang magpaligoy-ligoy sa sagot. Hindi ikaw ang unang atheist na nakausap ko, hindi ikaw ang huli. Madalas din ako sa debate (bagay na nakasanayan ko na ata) at ALAM ko na kung paano kayo sumagot. Let's be all grown up here and be direct to the point. Inisa-isa ko ung mga tanong mo. Isa-isahin mo din ang sagot mo nang DIREKTA. Aminin mo kung Tama ako at aaminin ko din kung Tama ka(kung may magiging Tama ka man) kung saka-sakali.

Aasa akong lohikal ka mag-isip dahil madalas ka makipagtalastasan sa mga THREAD na ganito (kahit wordy ka masyado na Wala nmn sense minsan, sorry).

Honestly kaw ang madameng paligoy ligoy sa sinasabi mo...

Pero hir it is

1. What im saying that experimentation does not directly jump into human subjects. And yes im aware sa process ng subjects..clear?

...i wonder lang wat class u took discussing human experimentation specifically... Pero if wat ur saying na may nagaganap na human testing in the field of science then i think most people know that..

...sa links mo bout sa nuclear testing, and other alleged experiments including those done by the Nazis... Yes i believe na there are dark times in the scientific process but those were in the past..atleast sa link na binigay mo which are from the early 1900s to 60s if im not mistaken. C'mon...wat year na ba ngayon? And dont be naive to imply na some experiments done in the past have not provide a better life for us...

2. I asked u for ur data, instead u pointed me to an article from a single atheist. That guy as far as i know is not really an authoritative figure in the atheist community.

...If ang source mo eh ang article na sinulat nea sa huffpost then i have to ask again for the data.

...ok u just dug urself a deeper hole..suicide nga lang ask ko eh...pero sge...
Suicide
Drug and ******* addiction
Anxiety and depression

Those cases can be true for anyone regardless of who they are..pero since ur convince na sa atheist madame occurence nean then where are your statistics? Ung ibang dinagdag mo pa na statement is irrelevant so di ko na iaddress.

And your so-called atheist friends, i dunno lang.. as far as ive remembered eh wala nman ako naencounter na atheist na ung pagiging atheist agad nila ang ipopronta...usually nalabas ang pagkaatheist ko wen talking to people like u .and since muka namng ganid na ganid ka ugali ng mga "atheist" na yan, maybe dont call them your "kaibigan", if those were my friends..and they are suffering like that..mas pipiliin ko tulungan sila regardless of their belief..kesa husgahan at base sa "hula ko" ...kasi kaibigan ko sila

I do believe na LIMITED ang time ko, that is why im making the most out if..working hard, correcting my mistakes kasi etu lang ang chance eh...

Faith?? Faith does not require logic...kaya i cant just believe something based on faith..kaya mo maniwala just based on faith lang??

3. So that book? Ano dapat makukuha ko sa book na yan??

My relationship with my father is awesome. So i dont get ur point hir unless ur asserting na may mga daddy issues ang mga atheist...hahahaha


.......

Andame mo kamo inassert na ang atheist is ganto ganyan...which are pretty much personal assumptions mo..

And buti ka pa..andame mo nakakahalubilo na atheist..hahahaha..san ka ba nagtatambay???

 

[jayendecastro]

This is the definition of FINE TUNING.

In theoretical physics, fine-tuning is the process in which parameters of a model must be adjusted very precisely in order to fit with certain observations.

Now, nagsimula ang topic sa "Creation" na pinasukan mo ng Analogy about You having a Car and "tuning" it to perform better. Clearly, you FAILED sa idea kasi "Creation" ung topic at hand. Dapat na Analogy mo ay "Car Companies building a Car." kaso syempre di ka papayag dun kasi mahuhuli ka sa idea na WALANG KOTSENG nagawa mag-isa. Nagsisimula nakong di mo alam ang analogy.

Then, pinasok ko ung Analogy ko about HOW NATURE/UNIVERSE/GOD WILL FIX THINGS BY KILLING HUMANITY WHICH IS A PRECISE ADJUSTMENT IN ORDER TO SAVE THOSE WHO ARE NOT CAUSING WORLD'S DESTRUCTION.

So san ang mali dyan?
O kasali ka sa common atheist mind na may problema sa terminology ng mga salita?

Fyi..di ako naginsert ng car analogy...i think si TS..pero mo din basahin sa first page...i replied don..okay?

The idea there was that the car was fine-tuned for me. Ke mechanic or manufacturer man gumawa eh it was supposed to be made for me. Pinoint out ko na ako bilang tao had to adjust sa sasakyan ko para maging comfortable ako..

Fine tuning premise is about the constant that were supposedly adjusted by a mover and those tuning made life possible. No one said ever said anything bout killing people as part of that tuning..

And sidenote lang..i changed my DP like a month ago kasi like you pinapnasin din DP ko before. And thats my daughter's photo so unless u wanna talk about how pretty my daughter is eh irrelevant na ibrought up mo pa ulit yan...

 

[PleaseInsertUsername]

Honestly kaw ang madameng paligoy ligoy sa sinasabi mo...

Pero hir it is

1. What im saying that experimentation does not directly jump into human subjects. And yes im aware sa process ng subjects..clear?

...i wonder lang wat class u took discussing human experimentation specifically... Pero if wat ur saying na may nagaganap na human testing in the field of science then i think most people know that..

...sa links mo bout sa nuclear testing, and other alleged experiments including those done by the Nazis... Yes i believe na there are dark times in the scientific process but those were in the past..atleast sa link na binigay mo which are from the early 1900s to 60s if im not mistaken. C'mon...wat year na ba ngayon? And dont be naive to imply na some experiments done in the past have not provide a better life for us...

2. I asked u for ur data, instead u pointed me to an article from a single atheist. That guy as far as i know is not really an authoritative figure in the atheist community.

...If ang source mo eh ang article na sinulat nea sa huffpost then i have to ask again for the data.

...ok u just dug urself a deeper hole..suicide nga lang ask ko eh...pero sge...
Suicide
Drug and *** addiction
Anxiety and depression

Those cases can be true for anyone regardless of who they are..pero since ur convince na sa atheist madame occurence nean then where are your statistics? Ung ibang dinagdag mo pa na statement is irrelevant so di ko na iaddress.

And your so-called atheist friends, i dunno lang.. as far as ive remembered eh wala nman ako naencounter na atheist na ung pagiging atheist agad nila ang ipopronta...usually nalabas ang pagkaatheist ko wen talking to people like u .and since muka namng ganid na ganid ka ugali ng mga "atheist" na yan, maybe dont call them your "kaibigan", if those were my friends..and they are suffering like that..mas pipiliin ko tulungan sila regardless of their belief..kesa husgahan at base sa "hula ko" ...kasi kaibigan ko sila

I do believe na LIMITED ang time ko, that is why im making the most out if..working hard, correcting my mistakes kasi etu lang ang chance eh...

Faith?? Faith does not require logic...kaya i cant just believe something based on faith..kaya mo maniwala just based on faith lang??

3. So that book? Ano dapat makukuha ko sa book na yan??

My relationship with my father is awesome. So i dont get ur point hir unless ur asserting na may mga daddy issues ang mga atheist...hahahaha


.......

Andame mo kamo inassert na ang atheist is ganto ganyan...which are pretty much personal assumptions mo..

And buti ka pa..andame mo nakakahalubilo na atheist..hahahaha..san ka ba nagtatambay???

Akala ko atheist ka Lang.. Wala kading palang common sense (I made it clear na kakausapin Kita ng direkta, Tama?)

1. It's seems to me na hindi mo maintindihan ung sarili mong salita. Here's your exact words.

Tska mahilig ka ata sa môviês masyado...alamin mo muna ang scientific process bago mo iaassume na libo or milyon ang naging part ng human testing..may proseso yan bfore u can get to that point. Bka nakita mo yan sa mga scifi môviês...hahaha

Then bigla kang kambyo ng ganito.

What im saying that experimentation does not directly jump into human subjects. And yes im aware sa process ng subjects..clear?

Do you even understand yourself?
What's worst eh dinagdag mo pato.

C'mon...wat year na ba ngayon? And dont be naive to imply na some experiments done in the past have not provide a better life for us...

Gusto ko nang kwestyunin kung anung klaseng tao ka. Well, kung naniniwala kang better ang society natin after the death of those "million" people na di mo nmn kaanu-anu, bat 3rd world country padin tayo? I mean, walang napakinabangan ang Pilipinas sa kamatayan nila. So panu mo nasabing naging mas maganda buhay natin?

2. That guy as far as i know is not really an authoritative figure in the atheist community.

Now sinisingle out mo na ung kapwa mo atheist. Cool. Anyways, may point ka nmn. Sino sya? Anu nga bang authority meron sya? I mean kilala sya? May sinasabi sya sa lipunan? (Now gawin nating first person at palitan natin ng "ka" ang "sya")
Sino ka?
Anung authority meron ka para isingle out mo sya? I mean kilala ka ba? May sinasabi ka sa lipunan?

Anung meron ka na Wala sya? At baket mas mahalaga ang paniniwala mo sakanya?

At Sino bang atheist ang may "authority" sa circle nyo? Richard Dawkins? Patay na sya. Ironic kasi he don't believe in God pero gumagait sya ng expression na OMG. Sino? Give me figure/s.

I'm sorry kung di ako nagbigay ng stats. Kala ko kasi di mo Rin nmn babahin. Here are the REAL stats now.

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Okay na?

About me and my friends. First you don't know kung anung klaseng relationship meron kame. Second, sila ang nagsimula ng topic about their atheism. Third, hindi ako "ganid na ganid" sakanila. Ni wala nga akong galit. Ni hindi ko din sila tinataboy. So panu mo nasabing hinuhusgahan ko sila? At panung tulong? Irehab ko sila? Komprontahin ko? Wala kabang kaibigan? Kasi parang di mo alam on how REAL friendship works.

Hindi mo din pala sinabi na "Wala akong bisyo." Normally yan ung rebuttal ng mga atheist pag nainsert ung topic.

Tatanungin Kita, May bisyo kaba?


Faith?? Faith does not require logic..

Actually, FAITH DOES REQUIRE LOGIC. Sorry pero dito ako natawa. Akalo ko talaga may laman ka. Sorry for overestimating you. My fault. Kung sasakay ka sa eroplano dapat may FAITH ka sa piloto. With that faith papasukan mo un ng LOGIC na "naging piloto sya kasi nakapag-aral sya at propesyonal sya." "Ang eroplanong ito ay masusing binuo upang maging epektibo at safe." Ganun ung logic.

Sabagay, hindi ikaw ang unang atheist na nakausap ko na walang logic. Madame kayo. At ang nakakatakot, dadame pa kayo.

3. Good point na maganda relation mo sa daddy mo. At least kahit papano Alam kong may mga taong lu lumalaking may ama. Kaya Lang, as per my exp, majority ng nakausap ko na gaya mo ay may father problem. Just like what I said, my friends have. Ung mga nakausap kong estudent ng ilang Pamantasan have. Ung mga nakadebate ko have. Kahit ung mga kilalang tao na

Kung susumahin, mas malaki padin sa mga nakausap ko ang merong problema kesa sa wala.
Here's another link to reconsider.

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Nga pla, hindi assumptions ang tawag sa isang bagay na nagpag-aralan.

Sa mga links. Palitan mo ng VAP E (isang word Lang) ung ****

 

[PleaseInsertUsername]

Fyi..di ako naginsert ng car analogy...i think si TS..pero mo din basahin sa first page...i replied don..okay?

The idea there was that the car was fine-tuned for me. Ke mechanic or manufacturer man gumawa eh it was supposed to be made for me. Pinoint out ko na ako bilang tao had to adjust sa sasakyan ko para maging comfortable ako..

Fine tuning premise is about the constant that were supposedly adjusted by a mover and those tuning made life possible. No one said ever said anything bout killing people as part of that tuning..

And sidenote lang..i changed my DP like a month ago kasi like you pinapnasin din DP ko before. And thats my daughter's photo so unless u wanna talk about how pretty my daughter is eh irrelevant na ibrought up mo pa ulit yan...

Again with you not understanding your own words.

Here's your exact words.

Okay.. as a car owner, everyday when i drive my car ichecheck ko ung tubig, oil, brakes and other stuff. Then if may problem, i'll have it check para maayos ng mechanic if di ko kya ayusin. As per daily use, iaadjust ko ang aircon pag sobrang init or sobrang lamig. Iaadjust ko ang upuan, salamin,ilaw and even sounds ko para maging comfortable ako at safe sa pagmamaneho. That's an example of me adjusting to my car. And not the car being so perfectly tuned for me wala na ako gagawin pagsakay ko.

Nagsimula ka pagpepersonify at eto ang ginamit mo.
Car= Universe
kaso wala kang pinersonify sa equation nato.
You = ?
kasi sinabi mong "chinecheck "KO" ung tubig, oil at aircon"

Hindi bat "creation" ang unang topic nyo?
So You = Creator? Naku umamin ka na na may "higher power."
Clearly di mo pwedeng sabihin na
You = Chance?
kasi ang "chance ay walang pag-iisip." Meron ka nmn tama? Sana?

Kasi kung "analogy" ang tawag mo dyan ay may problema tayo.


Kung di mo nakikita ang relation ng "Killing Humanity" sa Fine tuning ng universe eh may problema sayo. Sabi mo nga sa " analogy " mo, gagawin MO=(Chance?) na maayos ang Universe=Car. So kailangan mo ieliminate ung nagcacause ng sira which is sa situation ay humanity.

About your primary pic. Wala akong sinabing masama sa litrato mo. Wag kang O.A.

 

[Mrbhords]

Because God is the best scientist ever!!!

 

[jayendecastro]

Akala ko atheist ka Lang.. Wala kading palang common sense (I made it clear na kakausapin Kita ng direkta, Tama?)

1. It's seems to me na hindi mo maintindihan ung sarili mong salita. Here's your exact words.

Tska mahilig ka ata sa môviês masyado...alamin mo muna ang scientific process bago mo iaassume na libo or milyon ang naging part ng human testing..may proseso yan bfore u can get to that point. Bka nakita mo yan sa mga scifi môviês...hahaha

Then bigla kang kambyo ng ganito.

What im saying that experimentation does not directly jump into human subjects. And yes im aware sa process ng subjects..clear?

Do you even understand yourself?
What's worst eh dinagdag mo pato.

C'mon...wat year na ba ngayon? And dont be naive to imply na some experiments done in the past have not provide a better life for us...

Gusto ko nang kwestyunin kung anung klaseng tao ka. Well, kung naniniwala kang better ang society natin after the death of those "million" people na di mo nmn kaanu-anu, bat 3rd world country padin tayo? I mean, walang napakinabangan ang Pilipinas sa kamatayan nila. So panu mo nasabing naging mas maganda buhay natin?

2. That guy as far as i know is not really an authoritative figure in the atheist community.

Now sinisingle out mo na ung kapwa mo atheist. Cool. Anyways, may point ka nmn. Sino sya? Anu nga bang authority meron sya? I mean kilala sya? May sinasabi sya sa lipunan? (Now gawin nating first person at palitan natin ng "ka" ang "sya")
Sino ka?
Anung authority meron ka para isingle out mo sya? I mean kilala ka ba? May sinasabi ka sa lipunan?

Anung meron ka na Wala sya? At baket mas mahalaga ang paniniwala mo sakanya?

At Sino bang atheist ang may "authority" sa circle nyo? Richard Dawkins? Patay na sya. Ironic kasi he don't believe in God pero gumagait sya ng expression na OMG. Sino? Give me figure/s.

I'm sorry kung di ako nagbigay ng stats. Kala ko kasi di mo Rin nmn babahin. Here are the REAL stats now.

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Okay na?

About me and my friends. First you don't know kung anung klaseng relationship meron kame. Second, sila ang nagsimula ng topic about their atheism. Third, hindi ako "ganid na ganid" sakanila. Ni wala nga akong galit. Ni hindi ko din sila tinataboy. So panu mo nasabing hinuhusgahan ko sila? At panung tulong? Irehab ko sila? Komprontahin ko? Wala kabang kaibigan? Kasi parang di mo alam on how REAL friendship works.

Hindi mo din pala sinabi na "Wala akong bisyo." Normally yan ung rebuttal ng mga atheist pag nainsert ung topic.

Tatanungin Kita, May bisyo kaba?


Faith?? Faith does not require logic..

Actually, FAITH DOES REQUIRE LOGIC. Sorry pero dito ako natawa. Akalo ko talaga may laman ka. Sorry for overestimating you. My fault. Kung sasakay ka sa eroplano dapat may FAITH ka sa piloto. With that faith papasukan mo un ng LOGIC na "naging piloto sya kasi nakapag-aral sya at propesyonal sya." "Ang eroplanong ito ay masusing binuo upang maging epektibo at safe." Ganun ung logic.

Sabagay, hindi ikaw ang unang atheist na nakausap ko na walang logic. Madame kayo. At ang nakakatakot, dadame pa kayo.

3. Good point na maganda relation mo sa daddy mo. At least kahit papano Alam kong may mga taong lu lumalaking may ama. Kaya Lang, as per my exp, majority ng nakausap ko na gaya mo ay may father problem. Just like what I said, my friends have. Ung mga nakausap kong estudent ng ilang Pamantasan have. Ung mga nakadebate ko have. Kahit ung mga kilalang tao na

Kung susumahin, mas malaki padin sa mga nakausap ko ang merong problema kesa sa wala.
Here's another link to reconsider.

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Nga pla, hindi assumptions ang tawag sa isang bagay na nagpag-aralan.

Sa mga links. Palitan mo ng VAP E (isang word Lang) ung ****

Its seems na ikaw ang mahina ang understanding..uulitin ko ang mga sinabi ko..

Tska mahilig ka ata sa môviês masyado...alamin mo muna ang scientific process bago mo iaassume na libo or milyon ang naging part ng human testing..may proseso yan bfore u can get to that point. Bka nakita mo yan sa mga scifi môviês...hahaha

What im saying that experimentation does not directly jump into human subjects. And yes im aware sa process ng subjects..clear?

yan at nakared na ung pinupunto. Ung sinasabi mo kasi nung una eh how human experiments in the past na killed kamo "millions"... i never denied na di nangyare yon at ang sinabi ko eh how they get to that point..nasa human testing ka na kasi agad as if all science experiments have gone sa ganon. Start yan sa lab, mga test tubes, chemicals, animal testing...

Magandang naidulot ng mga old experiments na nasabi mo? Here's one...WE DEVELOP ETHICS IN SCIENCE. WE UNDERSTOOD NA SUCH METHODS ARE NOT ETHICAL SOLUTION TO OUR CRISIS.

kaya nga even medicines bawal magbigay ng branded..dapat generic kasi nagagamit ang practice na un as involuntary testing on humans by the pharmaceutical companies.

We als0 understood na nuclear power is a threat to mankind's existence..kaya nga nagkakagiyera dahil sa mga WMDs at MOAB eh

SO UNLIKE YOU, I KNOW WAT IM SAYING.

2. I singled him out kasi sya ang ginamit mo na source...duuuh.. baka magulo sayo...ang inaask ko sayo eh ung statistics mo na atheist have a high rate of suicide, addiction and mental disorders..wala ka pa prinoprovide.

And dont put words sken, i never said ako ang authority in all things atheism..IM NOT. I never said mas kapani paniwala ako sa kanya... KALA KO NA DREKTAHANG SAGOT?? ANO ANO PA SINASABI MO EH... What im saying is actually give someone na nagsusupport jan sa sinasabi mo.

OHMYGOOOOD!!! hahahaha... Ang tawag jan "expression"... And bka akala mo lahat ng nagsasabi nean each time eh diyos ang nasa isip... Next time na may marinig ka magsabi nean .tapikin mo sya at tanungin..."ano ang iniisip mo kay god ngayon?"

Ohmygod!!!

Hahahaha

Ung links mo pala is from a christian fundmentalist...so no thanks...alam ko na san punta nean..still..wala pa din ung STATISTICS na sinasabi mo..if namiss ko screenie mo na lang.

And about ur so called friends ..ikaw nagbbrought up na kilala mo si ganto, si ganyan..nakausap mo, nakachat mo..ikaw ang pasok ng pasok ng personal experiences mo tas defensive ka pag najujudge ka on a personal level..so di ko na ibrought up yang mga sabi mong adik, fatherless, at mangungutang mong mga friends..baka mahurt ka eh...

And yes may bisyo ako..ang bisyo ko ay magserBISYO..hahahaha.... No, i smoke..like smoke a lot... So anong point neto???

FAITH REQUIRES LOGIC??? seriously??!! Jesus christ!!! (Another expression)

Tama ka na sana eh...yes if i board a plane, i know that the place where that airline is operating on have rules and guidelines to operate. Part nun ang paghire ng magagaling na piloto na trained at educated. I just have to logically assume all that. I dont need faith in any of that. Kelan nga ba sinasabi ng iba ang "JUST HAVE FAITH"? pag nagdududa sila sa kakayahan nila or ng iba...

3. Kaw nagbrought up netong sa mga tatay tatay eh...so di ko na alam ano pang relevance neto...hahahaha

Sidenote let..pd ba na wag mo iaassume kung ano isasagot ko or ng mga atheist... Kung alam mo na sasbihin ko eh di bat pa tayo maguusap..magintay ka kasi sa sagot....lage ng assume eh.mhahahah

Speaking of which..sabi mo napagaralan mo yang assumptions mo bout atheist..pls do tell san mo napagaralan yan... Kasi puro personal experience mo lang kinukwento mo dito eh..

 

[jayendecastro]

Ohmylord!!

Again with you not understanding your own words.

Here's your exact words.

Okay.. as a car owner, everyday when i drive my car ichecheck ko ung tubig, oil, brakes and other stuff. Then if may problem, i'll have it check para maayos ng mechanic if di ko kya ayusin. As per daily use, iaadjust ko ang aircon pag sobrang init or sobrang lamig. Iaadjust ko ang upuan, salamin,ilaw and even sounds ko para maging comfortable ako at safe sa pagmamaneho. That's an example of me adjusting to my car. And not the car being so perfectly tuned for me wala na ako gagawin pagsakay ko.

Nagsimula ka pagpepersonify at eto ang ginamit mo.
Car= Universe
kaso wala kang pinersonify sa equation nato.
You = ?
kasi sinabi mong "chinecheck "KO" ung tubig, oil at aircon"

Hindi bat "creation" ang unang topic nyo?
So You = Creator? Naku umamin ka na na may "higher power."
Clearly di mo pwedeng sabihin na
You = Chance?
kasi ang "chance ay walang pag-iisip." Meron ka nmn tama? Sana?

Kasi kung "analogy" ang tawag mo dyan ay may problema tayo.


Kung di mo nakikita ang relation ng "Killing Humanity" sa Fine tuning ng universe eh may problema sayo. Sabi mo nga sa " analogy " mo, gagawin MO=(Chance?) na maayos ang Universe=Car. So kailangan mo ieliminate ung nagcacause ng sira which is sa situation ay humanity.

About your primary pic. Wala akong sinabing masama sa litrato mo. Wag kang O.A.

Geeeez... Explain ko let..rektahin ko na

Mechanic/manufacturer = creator
Me = Life
Car = universe

If the MECHANIC/MANUFACTURER made the CAR "fine-tuned" for ME then di ko na kelangan gawin ung mga sinasabi ko adjustments.

Gets?

 

[PleaseInsertUsername]

Ohmylord!!

Geeeez... Explain ko let..rektahin ko na

Mechanic/manufacturer = creator
Me = Life
Car = universe

If the MECHANIC/MANUFACTURER made the CAR "fine-tuned" for ME then di ko na kelangan gawin ung mga sinasabi ko adjustments.

Gets?

Nakakatawa nato to the extent na pwede magmura. I don't, as I said I will do it in a grown up manners.

1. Mechanic /manufacturer = creator
Me = Life
Car = universe

Analogy ba tawag mo dyan? Sorry pero antanga lang. Sabi mo sa "analogy" mo. "INAAYOS KO UNG KOTSE KO TO MAKE IT COMFORTABLE FOR ME."

So by translation:

"INAAYOS NG LIFE ANG UNIVERSE"

Husay. Napakahusay.

Sa Solar System ISANG PLANETA Lang ang may buhay! So PAANONG NAGOGOVERN NG BUHAY ANG UNIVERSE!

Tapos sinabi mo pa na "MANUFACTURER=CREATOR" eh di inamin mo din na may creator. Fail!(BTW, I don't use "epic fail", di gaya mo, gramatically incorrect Kasi un.)

Sabagay mahina ka sa logic. Mahina ka sa simple analogy. Mahina ka sa terminology.

 

[jayendecastro]

Nakakatawa nato to the extent na pwede magmura. I don't, as I said I will do it in a grown up manners.

1. Mechanic /manufacturer = creator
Me = Life
Car = universe

Analogy ba tawag mo dyan? Sorry pero antanga lang. Sabi mo sa "analogy" mo. "INAAYOS KO UNG KOTSE KO TO MAKE IT COMFORTABLE FOR ME."

So by translation:

"INAAYOS NG LIFE ANG UNIVERSE"

Husay. Napakahusay.

Sa Solar System ISANG PLANETA Lang ang may buhay! So PAANONG NAGOGOVERN NG BUHAY ANG UNIVERSE!

Tapos sinabi mo pa na "MANUFACTURER=CREATOR" eh di inamin mo din na may creator. Fail!(BTW, I don't use "epic fail", di gaya mo, gramatically incorrect Kasi un.)

Sabagay mahina ka sa logic. Mahina ka sa simple analogy. Mahina ka sa terminology.

Juskopo!! Hahahaha

If the MECHANIC/MANUFACTURER made the CAR "fine-tuned" for ME then di ko na kelangan gawin ung mga sinasabi ko adjustments.

If the GOD made the UNIVERSE "fine-tuned" for LIFE then di ko na kelangan gawin ung mga sinasabi ko adjustments (adjusting sa enviroment in this case)

Andun nga yung universe eh, na fine tune na ni god, so oks na dapat for life. Yet ang life nagaadjust to survive hir. Isang planeta lang nga kamo ang my buhay , majority of the universe has none based sa sinabi mo. Then how is that universe fine tuned for life at all.

The analogy was meant to show ung sillyness ng premise and not an admission of anything bout god.

ETO YUNG PREMISE:

GOD FINE TUNED THE UNIVERSE FOR LIFE.

anjan nga si god eh so isasama ko sya sa analogy. just because i did eh inaamin ko na thats a fact. Kinukwestyon ko nga ung premise.

Iaddress mo why LIFE needs to adjust sa supposedly FINE-TUNED UNIVERSE created by GOD.

if u think di tayo nagaadjust to survive dito then live outside ur house, ***** and see how well this universe is tuned for your existence.

Yan ka na nmn kinakausap mo n nman sarili mo...

 

[Under_Score]

isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit marami ding mga scientest naniwala na may roong GOD or Creator, kac hindi nila ma prove na "Nothing can produce something" there is something out there that create Everything.

 

[PleaseInsertUsername]

Here's YOUR exact words. Nalimtan lmo?

Okay.. as a car owner, everyday when i drive my car ichecheck ko ung tubig, oil, brakes and other stuff. Then if may problem, i'll have it check para maayos ng mechanic if di ko kya ayusin. As per daily use, iaadjust ko ang aircon pag sobrang init or sobrang lamig. Iaadjust ko ang upuan, salamin,ilaw and even sounds ko para maging comfortable ako at safe sa pagmamaneho. That's an example of me adjusting to my car. And not the car being so perfectly tuned for me wala na ako gagawin pagsakay ko.


San mo dyan dyan pinasok ung
If God exist
sa Analogy mong :
Manufacturer = Creator
You = Life
Car = Universe

Di ko na nga sinagot ung mahabang sinabi mo Kasi pakiramdam ko mentally disturbed ka.

Wag mo narin sagutin to. Wala na ring sense.

Go to a psych. Kailangan mo Yan lalo na at may anak ka.

Usap tayo pag magaling kana.