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[Asherah Goddess]

If you look at history. Marxists gave birth to communism. Communism gave birth to MAO, Stalin, and Hitler.​

Depende kung ano ang gusto ng tao kung ang pipiliin ay authority and hierarchy but meron social inequality" ? Or yung "marxism" na meron "equality" mismo sa loob ng society? We have to choose one kase po. Hindi pwede sabihin na gusto ko ng equality pero ayaw ng mala-marxism sapagkat meron pros and cons po. Bawat choice ay meron consequence.

Sunod, meron ako nabasa na marxism at nabasa ko ng kaunti ang ilan na nilalaman. Ang nagsulat po ay professor siya ng history , religion and politics. Meron po siyang alam sa marxism , capitalism , matriarchal , patriarchal and anything po.

Hindi ko masasabi na absolute na alam ko ang lahat. Based lang naman ito sa nabasa ko.

Totoo ang marxism ay meron kilalaman sa "equality" po. Totoo. Bagkus noon unang panahon po, which is long, long time ago as in, siguro sabihin natin na mala-agriculture ang set up, meron itinatawag na primitive communism. Yung communism po ay hindi katulad ni Adolf Hitler or mala-Stalin. Dahil ang unang panahon po kase, hindi pa kase "exisiting" ang itinatawag na main God na related to any Abrahamic beliefs katulad ng Christian , Islam at Judaism.

Sa set up dati, halimbawa, hindi ma-distinguish kung ano ang gender ng lalake o babae na nagtatrabaho sa specific job na ginagampanan. Meron nagtatrabaho as mananahi o meron taga tanim sa bukid or whatever katulad ng meron lalake na nananahi at meron din babae na nananahi or meron babae na nagtatanim at meron din lalake na nagtatanim........... well, wala pa po kase property and ownership po. It is a reason why ang ganoon set up ay meron equality at harmonious ang takbo ng mga tao po.

Kahit noon unang panahon din po, meron mga bakla o meron mga tomboy pero hindi katulad sa atin ngayon na meron itinatawag na label bilang "gay" or "lesbian". Kapag ang babae ay meron ka-relasyon na babae , ang tawag pa rin sa kanila ay babae. Ganun din ang lalake na kapag meron ka-relasyon na lalake , ang tawag pa rin ay lalake. Hindi naman po kase worry ang mga tao kung ano ang biological differences ang meron sa kanila upang matawag na kung ano ang "pagiging lalake" dapat o kung ano ang "pagiging babae" po. Its also norms din po kapag lalake ay magkagusto sa opposite gender nito na babae and same din sa babae na magkagusto sa opposite gender nito na lalake. Everything is fine. Everything is good. Everything is normal.

Iyan ang equality po.

Ngayon. Siyempre po, nagkaisip ang mga tao and so andiyan na nag-usbungan ang mga labels katulad ng lesbian , gay , bisexual and transgender. Iyan ang acronym sa "LGBT" dati. Dati ha? Nang dumating ang years , umusbong na rin ang katagang "LGBTQ" which means nadagdagan lang ang "queer" sa "LGBTQ" and then, ngayon....... ang haba na po. Meron ng "LGBTQ....... plus" na po. Ngayon nag-exceed na po ang labels ng mga homosexual hanggang 30 plus. Sobrang dami na to the maximum level. Hindi na kaya e-comprehend ng mind natin sa sobrang dami po nila.

Ngayon ay based on what I see po, ewan ko kung ano ang iisipin ng ibang tao sa isusulat ko, well, since meron tayong property and ownership at namamalagi po siya sa mga home and businesses pagkatapos predominant pa ang majority ng mga lalake sa pwesto na kinakatayuan nila like head of the family sa bahay and/or head pa din siya sa businesses, hindi nakakapagtaka kung bakit hindi nag-eexist po ang equality. Ang ibang kapwa lalake po na hindi katulad nila na meron pinahahawakan pagdating sa businesses and/or at home , wala rin siya status na pinahahawakan po. Similar po din siya sa status ng mga babae at status ng mga homosexual po.

Yung marxism ay kinuha ni Adolf Hitler at ni Joseph Stalin ang ganyan concept dahil sa desire nila na magkaroon ng "equality" para sa lahat ng nasasakupan which is meron bad at meron good. Ang bad kase ay nadungisan kase nina Adolf Hitler at ni Joseph Stalin ang ideology ng "marxism" po e. Kung baga maganda ang mga motive nila na magkaroon ng "equality" pero "maling paraan". Good siya dahil ang motive nila ay magkaroon talaga ng "equality" po and the way I see Adolf Hitler at Joseph Stalin po is kase nga, diba, noon unang panahon po kase, like I said, hindi pa exisiting ang main God ng Abrahamic beliefs dati and so yung set up is more harmonious and equality po siya. Dati iyon. Dati. It is a reason why atheist sina Adolf Hitler.

Ang dati po kase ay meron God(s) and Goddess(es) po which is polythiestic beliefs. Kung eoobserve ang ilan sa bible verse po, andoon naka-indicate ang slaves and authority po. Nang meron tayo main God from any Abrahamic beliefs , actually , ang katagang "slaves" ay meron pa rin tayo itong present days. Iyon nga lang ay hindi tawag "slaves". Maka-modern na kase tayo like employee to employer type or CEO at ang nagtatrabaho is mga under niya po.

Kapag gusto natin na makapasok sa job , ebebenta natin ang "sarili" natin para ekuha tayo ng naghahanap ng aplikante. Binibenta natin ang ating mga "sarili". Iyan klaseng type is hindi alam ng mga tao , nagpapa-slave tayo pero siyempre in a modern era po but hindi katulad ng mga slaves dati. Kase, iba na ngayon.

Nasa bible verse din na ang ginawa lamang ay lalake at babae lamang and ang homosexual ay wala siyang position dahil ginawa lang raw ni God ang lalake at babae according sa bible. Sabihin natin na meron ibang tao na nagsasabi na okay naman raw ang homosexual po but ang homosexual na itinutukoy po ay hindi same ng "rights" sa mga heterosexual po.

Ngayon, well, ito ang masasabi ko lamang why I said na hindi masama ang "marxism" sa akin. Kase ang concept ng "marxism" is equality po.



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[GildartsTale]

Ironically, religion pa ang pinorotektahan ng law na ito.

Of course, Islam what do you expect? Death penalty nga kung sino man ang titiwalag.

It is funny how silly this argument is and that I used this 2 yrs ago. It sounds so non-sequitor pag wala kang political motivation to subscribe to it.

Non-sequitur? Silly? Or you're just denying actual facts of history?

STALIN:
Stalin was of Georgian—not Russian—origin, and persistent rumours claim that he was Ossetian on the paternal side. He was the son of a poor cobbler in the provincial Georgian town of Gori in the Caucasus, then an imperial Russian colony. The drunken father savagely beat his son. Speaking only Georgian at home, Joseph learned Russian—which he always spoke with a guttural Georgian accent—while attending the church school at Gori (1888–94). He then moved to the Tiflis Theological Seminary, where he secretly read Karl Marx, the chief theoretician of international Communism, and other forbidden texts, being expelled in 1899 for revolutionary activity, according to the “legend”—or leaving because of ill health, according to his doting mother. The mother, a devout washerwoman, had dreamed of her son becoming a priest, but Joseph Dzhugashvili was more ruffianly than clerical in appearance and outlook. He was short, stocky, black-haired, fierce-eyed, with one arm longer than the other, his swarthy face scarred by smallpox contracted in infancy. Physically strong and endowed with prodigious willpower, he early learned to disguise his true feelings and to bide his time; in accordance with the Caucasian blood-feud tradition, he was implacable in plotting long-term revenge against those who offended him.

MAO:
"Comrade Mao Zedong is a great Marxist, a great proletarian revolutionary, strategist and theorist. If we consider his life and work as a whole, his merits before the Chinese revolution to a large extent prevail over misses, despite the serious mistakes made by him in the "cultural revolution". His merits occupy the main place, and mistakes take a secondary place."
— CCP leaders, 1981

Karl Marx:
Karl Marx is best known for his theories that led to the development of Marxism. His ideas also served as the basis for communism. His books, Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto, formed the basis of Marxism.

 

[OrangeMoon]

If you look at history. Marxists gave birth to communism. Communism gave birth to MAO, Stalin, and Hitler.

Mao and Stalin may be sa Communism. But Hitler is anti-Communist, we can say he's INdirectly "given birth" by Communism, kasi against siya.

 

[GildartsTale]

Mao and Stalin may be sa Communism. But Hitler is anti-Communist, we can say he's INdirectly "given birth" by Communism, kasi against siya.

Yes, I agree.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Non-sequitur? Silly? Or you're just denying actual facts of history?

The non sequitor in the argument is the leap nung thought that when people are not conservative therefore they are communist.

If we make a reverse and equally flawed argument, we can say that people who hate woke are christian zealots and they just want to keep their achievements obtained from privilege.

Then we jump to the slippery slope argument, that when christians are given control in every aspect of society, their holy facade is removed to reveal their tyranny and atrocity.

Examples are
1: Central african republic Genocide
2: Bosnian Genocide
3: holocaust: yes some nazis were anti semitic becouse theybare "christ-killer"
4: the Pogroms
5: aMerican slavery
6: native american cultural cleansing
7: dark ages
8: colonial atrocities like the philippines

But again this is a flawed argument. It just flows along the same logic as the one I used before like your previous argument.

 

[GildartsTale]

The non sequitor in the argument is the leap nung thought that when people are not conservative therefore they are communist.

If we make a reverse and equally flawed argument, we can say that people who hate woke are christian zealots and they just want to keep their achievements obtained from privilege.

Then we jump to the slippery slope argument, that when christians are given control in every aspect of society, their holy facade is removed to reveal their tyranny and atrocity.

Examples are
1: Central african republic Genocide
2: Bosnian Genocide
3: holocaust: yes some nazis were anti semitic becouse theybare "christ-killer"
4: the Pogroms
5: aMerican slavery
6: native american cultural cleansing
7: dark ages
8: colonial atrocities like the philippines

But again this is a flawed argument. It just flows along the same logic as the one I used before like your previous argument.

Di naman yan ang punto ko.

Nag-oover reaching kana naman. Binasa moba yung nasa taas? Di naman automatic na communist ang di conservative. Pinunto ko lang that Marxism is the basis sa communism. And of course, communism gave birth to these atrocious acts.

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Ecompare naman natin ang "feminism" na sinasabi ng mga tao na keyso "marxism" kuno versus sina Hitler or sina Stalin na gumawa ng isang act na brutal para magkamit ng ina-asam nilang equality or ang itinatawag nila na "communism" kuno. Ipagkumpara ang mga feminism , mga woke at ang ibang group na naglabasan. Ang mga group ay hindi naman mga brutal ang mga iyan. Ang ginagamit po nila ay nag-vovoice out po sila para ma-heard po sila. E sina Hitler or sina Stalin ay based on act kung saan nagkaroon ng violence para makuha nila ang gusto nila.

E sa scientific explanation kung saan ang amygdala ng lalake is big daw kaysa sa amygdala ng babae in our brain and no wonder why prone sa violence ang lalake. Even in statistic na kinuhanan ay high percentage na gumagawa ng "crime" ay galing lalake din po. It is a reason why some men are trying to be "not one of them" dahil nga mapalad raw sa mga lalake ang hindi gumagawa ng anomaly sa society po.

Sina Hitler or sina Stalin man niyan, kabilang sila sa gumagawa ng atrocious acts vs sa feminism , woke at iba pang group na ma-vocal lamang sila. Pasalamat nga ang mga tao, ang feminism , woke at iba pang group mismo ay hindi katulad niyan ng mala-Hitler or mala-Stalin dahil kung nagkataon na majority of the group ay puros mga lalake ang nagvovoice out , naku , baka mag-war na sila niyan. Magkakaroon niyan ng riot malamang.
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[Kaplok Kaplok]

Di naman yan ang punto ko.

Nag-oover reaching kana naman. Binasa moba yung nasa taas? Di naman automatic na communist ang di conservative. Pinunto ko lang that Marxism is the basis sa communism. And of course, communism gave birth to these atrocious acts.

So nasaan yung connect paano tayo nakarating sa marxism eh kung yung usapin na ito ay nagsimula sa conservative vs progressive?

Paano natin naihambing ang pagiging progressive kay Stalin at Mao? Yan nga ung tunay overreaching so original idea na pinupunto ko..

Nanjan ung misconnect kasi e. At kahit nung time na convinced ako that conservative is the correct politics.. this connection has always felt fallacious.

Besides that, cherry picked kasi sa Mao at Stalin as tyrannical leaders to demonize the liberal Ideology only. Pero nagbubulagbulagan tayo sa mga conservative tyranny throughout the history. Bakit wala sa usapan si Mussolini, the fascist dictator who is against egalitrianism? Even our national hero was anti-friar and not necessarily against spain.

If the argument is about us later regretting are political choice because of a cloak they wear in the beginning... this can happen on both sides

 

[plhbg1]

Di nga rekta kulong, but still nanjan ang legislation na the so called "homopobhic" cannot speak against LGTV++. While the LGTV++ can speak against the conservative. That is called hypocrisy and double standards.

you can still speak against them but this time you can no longer harass them, and they still need to prove in courts that harassment existed so no problem at all boss since you can also prove in courts that you have been harassed by them

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

you can still speak against them but this time you can no longer harass them, and they still need to prove in courts that harassment existed so no problem at all boss since you can also prove in courts that you have been harassed by them

It would be nice if justice works that way. Pero in reality, if ever you get sued anything considerably bad to the opinion of the masses, it is almost like you are guilty. It affects your life more than it ideally should.

Example, you get accused of rape in the public courts as a highschool teacher, odds are baka hindi ka na ma hire in any school ever.

So somehow may pangil padin ang false accusations. It is really something to fear about.

 

[plhbg1]

It would be nice if justice works that way. Pero in reality, if ever you get sued anything considerably bad to the opinion of the masses, it is almost like you are guilty. It affects your life more than it ideally should.

Example, you get accused of rape in the public courts as a highschool teacher, odds are baka hindi ka na ma hire in any school ever.

So somehow may pangil padin ang false accusations. It is really something to fear about.

pero if a christian is accused of harassing an LGBT i think wala namang pangil doon because the masses are fu̾cking christians hehe tanging batas lang ang kakampi sa LGBT if that happens

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

pero if a christian is accused of harassing an LGBT i think wala namang pangil doon because the masses are fu̾cking christians hehe tanging batas lang ang kakampi sa LGBT if that happens

Kung sabagay.

Meron nga ako napanood pastor na nag groom at nag rape ng dalagitang 15. Umamin sya sa harap ng mga followers nya sa ginawa, pero nag claim siniduce daw sya nung girl. Tpos ginusto nmn ni girl iyon.
Bandang huli pinagdasal p nung mga tao ung pastor, at nandoon si girl. Siya pa nga nagdedepensa sa sarili nya.

 

[plhbg1]

Kung sabagay.

Meron nga ako napanood pastor na nag groom at nag rape ng dalagitang 15. Umamin sya sa harap ng mga followers nya sa ginawa, pero nag claim siniduce daw sya nung girl. Tpos ginusto nmn ni girl iyon.
Bandang huli pinagdasal p nung mga tao ung pastor, at nandoon si girl. Siya pa nga nagdedepensa sa sarili nya.

at dahil diyan tanging batas lang ang kakampi ng pipz like Luka kaya naman di mawawala yung equality laws, palagi pa ring isusulong iyan at dadami pa iyan in the future