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Joke ba yan bro?kung gusto mo gawa ka ng thread about Islam at kwestyunin ko ang pag gamit nyo sa Bibliya para lang patunayan na propeta sa Muhammad at git ang Bibliya i-rerefute ko ito.Pero kung ipipilit mo na mali ang talata sa Acts 4:26 at Acts 13:33 hindi talaga tayo magkakaunawaan kasi malinaw na sinagot ng mga talata na si Jesus ang pinatutukuyan sa Psalms 2,hindi naman pwede tanggapin ko yung aral mo,kung gusto mo ako kumbinsihin gamitin mo ang Bible para i-refute mo ako.
pilit mo talaga nililihis hahaha.
hindi mo talaga masagot ang tanong kong nghari ba si hesus sa sion. dalawa lang kalalabasan nyan kung sa sarili mo ang Psalms 2:7 ay si hesus lalabas bugok yong ng sulat sa Psalms 2:7 dahil yong tao na yon ay Hari ng sion na lingkod ng dios eh hindi naman ng hari si hesus sa sion bago si david hehe

kong tangap mo naman na si David nga ang nasa Psalms 2:7 ay lalabas pasintabi po bugok ang aral nyo. ganoon lang po ka semple:)
 
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maglaro nalang tayo ng R.O.S
kong wala ka parin po mailatag na si hesus ay lingkod ng dios na ng hari sa sion bago pa si david maghari:)
 
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Last post nirefute ko na yung sinabi nyo na si David yan,gamit ang Bible,habang kayo opinyon nyo lang,dapat tanggapin ko mas magaling ka pa sa Bible?pinaliwanag ko na prophecy yang scriptures na yan at si Kristo ang katuparan ng mga yan,ngayon kung bugok ang Bible hindi nyo na sana hinahanapan pa ng mga scriptures na nagpapatunay na propeta si Muhammad.
 
lol opinion ko ba to?

MBB Version
MGA AWIT 2:7
Ganito ang sabi ng lingkod ni Yahweh na hari sa sion Aking ihahayag ang ipinag utos nitong Panginoon ikaw ang anak kong pinakamamahal at magmula ngayon ako namang ito ang giliw mong ama sa habang panahon.

lingkod ng Dios hari ng Sion
si david lingkod ng Dios at hari ng sion.opinion ba yan? e nasa bible yan eh

si hesus ba ang nasa Psalms 2:7?
then ilatag mo si hesus lingkod ng dios na naging hari sa sion semple
 
brod MynamesAlvin total pagka anak ng dios ang isue kong si hesus ay anak ng dios sino panganay sa tatlo?
Hesus
Israel
Efhraim
yang dalawa ay pnanganay ng dios Israel at Efhraim
 
brod MynamesAlvin total pagka anak ng dios ang isue kong si hesus ay anak ng dios sino panganay sa tatlo?
Hesus
Israel
Efhraim
yang dalawa ay pnanganay ng dios Israel at Efhraim

Dahil before ginawa si Adam nilikha sya sa lupa ng Gabriel na utos ng dyos at ang unang nakita ni 'adam' pagbuklat nya lang ng mata nya ang nakita nya' Asshaduanla ilaha illalla wa ash hadu anna muhamadan rasulluhah'
Meaning 'There is no god but allah, and prophet muhammad S.A.W is the messenger of allah'

boss pwedi magtanong, nilatag po yan ng isang muslim. San po ba galing ang words na Allah. Ito po ba ay parte ng dialect nyu Allah mean's God, or pangalan po nya ito?
Si prophet Muhammad, sa part ba sya ng panahon ni Abraham o panahon na ni Jesus?



salamat po, natanong lang.
 
Dahil before ginawa si Adam nilikha sya sa lupa ng Gabriel na utos ng dyos at ang unang nakita ni 'adam' pagbuklat nya lang ng mata nya ang nakita nya' Asshaduanla ilaha illalla wa ash hadu anna muhamadan rasulluhah'
Meaning 'There is no god but allah, and prophet muhammad S.A.W is the messenger of allah'

boss pwedi magtanong, nilatag po yan ng isang muslim. San po ba galing ang words na Allah. Ito po ba ay parte ng dialect nyu Allah mean's God, or pangalan po nya ito?
Si prophet Muhammad, sa part ba sya ng panahon ni Abraham o panahon na ni Jesus?



salamat po, natanong lang.
sino ngsabi sa inyo na nilikha ni anghel gabriel si Adam sa utos ng Allah(swt)?
sino din ngsabi sa inyo pagbuklat nya ng mata nya ay nakita nya ang Asshaduanla ilaha illalla wa ash hadu anna muhamadan rasulluhah'?

Allah, ang personal na pangalan ng Dakilang Diyos. Ang Allah ay hindi lamang Diyos ng mga Muslim bagkus Siya ang Tangi at Nag-iisang Diyos ng lahat ng mga nilalang sa buong santinakpan. Siya ay tinatawag na Eloha sa Hebreo, ang wika ni Propeta Moises (sumakanya nawa ng kapayapaan) at Elli sa Aramaik, ang wika ni Propeta Hesus (sumakanya nawa ng kapayapaan). Ang salitang Allah ay wikang Arabik. Sapagkat ang Hebreo, Aramaik at Arabik ay magkakapatid na wika, ito ay nangangahulugan lamang na ang Eloha, Elli at Allah ay isa at magkakatulad. Bagama’t ang salitang Allah ay isinasalin (sa wikang Pilipino) na Diyos o (sa wikang Inglis) na God, ito ay hindi angkop na kahulugan at hindi naaakma sa Kanyang Kaluwalhatian. Ang salitang Allah sa wikang Arabik ay walang ganap o tuwirang kahulugan kung isasalin sa ibang wika. Ang Allah ay nangangahulugan ng Tanging Isa, na Siya ay walang kahati o katambal sa Kanyang pagka-Diyos. Siya ay hindi maaaring iugnay sa mga iba pa na pinangalanang diyos, halimbawa, ang iba ay nagsasabi na si Hesus, ang anak ni Maria ay diyos, si Buddha ay diyos, si Krisna ay diyos, atbp.. Ang salitang Allah ay hindi maaaring paramihin upang magkaroon pa ng kasama ang Allah, samakatuwid, ang Allah ay hindi maaaring iugnay sa iba pa o maging pangmaramihan. Siya ay nananatili at namamalaging Isa at Tanging Isa. Pangalawa, Siya bilang ang Allah ay walang kasarian o ***. Ang salitang diyos ay itinuturing na lalaki at nagiging pambabae kung sasalitain ng diyosa (o ng salitang Inglis na ‘god’ na maaaring maging babae bilang ‘goddess’). Ang Allah ay walang panlalaki o pambabaeng anyo sapagkat Siya ay hindi tao o hayop o katulad ng anumang nilikha. Pangatlo, ang lahat ng mga katangian at pangalan na ibinigay Niya sa Kanyang Sarili ay Kanya lamang at walang sinuman o anupaman na tinataguriang diyos ang maaaring mag-angkin ng mga katangiang ito tulad halimbawa ng Pinakamakapangyarihan, Pinakamaalam, Pinakamakatarungan, Pinakamahabagin, Pinakamapag-patawad, Pinakadakila, atbp.. Wala ng iba pa sa kalangitan at kalupaan ang maaaring mag-angkin ng gayong katangian. Ito ay para lamang sa Allah at wala ng iba. Dahil dito, bagama’t ang Allah ay maaaring maisalin sa ibang wika tulad ng diyos, die, god, deus, atbp., ang mga Muslim ay nagpapanatili nang pagtawag sa Kanyang personal at orihinal na Pangalan na Allah upang panatilihin ang tunay nitong kahulugan at upang ipatungkol lamang sa isang Dakilang Manlilikha ng lahat ng bagay.

(2) Ang Arabik na salita ay Iyaaka at An’amta na ang tuwirang kahulugan ay “Ikaw lamang” at “Iyo”. Minabuti kong gumamit ng “Kayo” at “Inyo” bilang paggalang sa Allah, ang Dakilang Tagapaglikha at Panginoon ng lahat ng mga nilalang. Sa lahat ng mga wikang Silanganin (o Oriental) katulad ng Pilipino (Tagalog) at Arabik, ay mayroong dalawang uri ng pangmaramihan; una ay ang pangmaramihan ng bilang (plural of number) at pangalawa ay pangmaramihan ng paggalang (plural of respect). Ang pangmaramihan ng paggalang ay karaniwan na nating ginagamit bilang tanda ng kagandahang-asal at paggalang. Halimbawa, kung may isang matandang lalaki na kumatok sa ating pinto na hindi natin kakilala, tayo ay magsasabi ng: “Sino sila?” o kaya ay “Tuloy kayo”. O kung tayo ay nangungusap sa ating magulang katulad ng ating ina, halimbawa’y tulad ng: “Nanay, nakita ba ninyoang aking sapatos?” o kaya ay “Sa inyo na ang damit na ito.” Ang sila, kayo, ninyo at inyo ay hindi nangangahulugan ng marami bagkus ay isa lamang, at samakatuwid ay pangmaramihan ng paggalang. Bagama’t katotohanan na ang Qur’an sa wikang Arabik ay gumamit din ng pangmaramihan ng paggalang, ginamit ko ang alituntuning ito sa ibang talata ng Qur’an kung ito ay naaangkop sa Allah ayon sa sarili kong pagpapasya

yong huli mong tanong kong saan part ba si Prophet Muhammad(saw) ay napost muna sa taas eh Shahada.
Asshaduanla ilaha illalla wa ash hadu anna muhamadan rasulluhah' akoy sumasaksi na walang ibang Diyos na dapat sambahin maliban sa Allah. at ako rin ay sumasaksi na si Propheta Muhammad ay Huling sugo ng Dios
 
sino ngsabi sa inyo na nilikha ni anghel gabriel si Adam sa utos ng Allah(swt)?
sino din ngsabi sa inyo pagbuklat nya ng mata nya ay nakita nya ang Asshaduanla ilaha illalla wa ash hadu anna muhamadan rasulluhah'?

Allah, ang personal na pangalan ng Dakilang Diyos. Ang Allah ay hindi lamang Diyos ng mga Muslim bagkus Siya ang Tangi at Nag-iisang Diyos ng lahat ng mga nilalang sa buong santinakpan. Siya ay tinatawag na Eloha sa Hebreo, ang wika ni Propeta Moises (sumakanya nawa ng kapayapaan) at Elli sa Aramaik, ang wika ni Propeta Hesus (sumakanya nawa ng kapayapaan). Ang salitang Allah ay wikang Arabik. Sapagkat ang Hebreo, Aramaik at Arabik ay magkakapatid na wika, ito ay nangangahulugan lamang na ang Eloha, Elli at Allah ay isa at magkakatulad. Bagama’t ang salitang Allah ay isinasalin (sa wikang Pilipino) na Diyos o (sa wikang Inglis) na God, ito ay hindi angkop na kahulugan at hindi naaakma sa Kanyang Kaluwalhatian. Ang salitang Allah sa wikang Arabik ay walang ganap o tuwirang kahulugan kung isasalin sa ibang wika. Ang Allah ay nangangahulugan ng Tanging Isa, na Siya ay walang kahati o katambal sa Kanyang pagka-Diyos. Siya ay hindi maaaring iugnay sa mga iba pa na pinangalanang diyos, halimbawa, ang iba ay nagsasabi na si Hesus, ang anak ni Maria ay diyos, si Buddha ay diyos, si Krisna ay diyos, atbp.. Ang salitang Allah ay hindi maaaring paramihin upang magkaroon pa ng kasama ang Allah, samakatuwid, ang Allah ay hindi maaaring iugnay sa iba pa o maging pangmaramihan. Siya ay nananatili at namamalaging Isa at Tanging Isa. Pangalawa, Siya bilang ang Allah ay walang kasarian o ***. Ang salitang diyos ay itinuturing na lalaki at nagiging pambabae kung sasalitain ng diyosa (o ng salitang Inglis na ‘god’ na maaaring maging babae bilang ‘goddess’). Ang Allah ay walang panlalaki o pambabaeng anyo sapagkat Siya ay hindi tao o hayop o katulad ng anumang nilikha. Pangatlo, ang lahat ng mga katangian at pangalan na ibinigay Niya sa Kanyang Sarili ay Kanya lamang at walang sinuman o anupaman na tinataguriang diyos ang maaaring mag-angkin ng mga katangiang ito tulad halimbawa ng Pinakamakapangyarihan, Pinakamaalam, Pinakamakatarungan, Pinakamahabagin, Pinakamapag-patawad, Pinakadakila, atbp.. Wala ng iba pa sa kalangitan at kalupaan ang maaaring mag-angkin ng gayong katangian. Ito ay para lamang sa Allah at wala ng iba. Dahil dito, bagama’t ang Allah ay maaaring maisalin sa ibang wika tulad ng diyos, die, god, deus, atbp., ang mga Muslim ay nagpapanatili nang pagtawag sa Kanyang personal at orihinal na Pangalan na Allah upang panatilihin ang tunay nitong kahulugan at upang ipatungkol lamang sa isang Dakilang Manlilikha ng lahat ng bagay.

(2) Ang Arabik na salita ay Iyaaka at An’amta na ang tuwirang kahulugan ay “Ikaw lamang” at “Iyo”. Minabuti kong gumamit ng “Kayo” at “Inyo” bilang paggalang sa Allah, ang Dakilang Tagapaglikha at Panginoon ng lahat ng mga nilalang. Sa lahat ng mga wikang Silanganin (o Oriental) katulad ng Pilipino (Tagalog) at Arabik, ay mayroong dalawang uri ng pangmaramihan; una ay ang pangmaramihan ng bilang (plural of number) at pangalawa ay pangmaramihan ng paggalang (plural of respect). Ang pangmaramihan ng paggalang ay karaniwan na nating ginagamit bilang tanda ng kagandahang-asal at paggalang. Halimbawa, kung may isang matandang lalaki na kumatok sa ating pinto na hindi natin kakilala, tayo ay magsasabi ng: “Sino sila?” o kaya ay “Tuloy kayo”. O kung tayo ay nangungusap sa ating magulang katulad ng ating ina, halimbawa’y tulad ng: “Nanay, nakita ba ninyoang aking sapatos?” o kaya ay “Sa inyo na ang damit na ito.” Ang sila, kayo, ninyo at inyo ay hindi nangangahulugan ng marami bagkus ay isa lamang, at samakatuwid ay pangmaramihan ng paggalang. Bagama’t katotohanan na ang Qur’an sa wikang Arabik ay gumamit din ng pangmaramihan ng paggalang, ginamit ko ang alituntuning ito sa ibang talata ng Qur’an kung ito ay naaangkop sa Allah ayon sa sarili kong pagpapasya

yong huli mong tanong kong saan part ba si Prophet Muhammad(saw) ay napost muna sa taas eh Shahada.
Asshaduanla ilaha illalla wa ash hadu anna muhamadan rasulluhah' akoy sumasaksi na walang ibang Diyos na dapat sambahin maliban sa Allah. at ako rin ay sumasaksi na si Propheta Muhammad ay Huling sugo ng Dios

Post yan Ni sir. Broxdo, sa thread na "Is that black Nazarine is a God.
Backread mo nalang po.Sabi kasi jan si Angel Gabriel ang lumikha kay Adam.
Ang katumbas pala ni Muhammad ay si Hesus. Sa Bible si Hesus na ang huling sugo.


Napansin ko lang kasi kahit nasa Bible ang pangalang Yahweh ay di yun ginagamit ng Christian. Madami ang tawag sa Diyos. May part lang kasi na nagsabi na wagsasamba sa di kilalang Diyos.

Diba pinaparangalan niyo ang Diyos sa kanyang pangalan. Ganun din ang Christian sa pangalan ng Diyos pinaparagalan nila si Hesus, sa panahon ito pinakilala ng Diyos si Hesus.

Gusto ko lang matiyak, maaari kasi na walang pangalan ang Diyos sa kalangitan. Wala pa kasi nakakitang tao kung ano ang anyo ng mga angel at ng Diyos sa langit bukod kay Hesus.
Baka kasi ito ay ganagamit lang sa lupa, gaya ng paggamit ng mga angel sa katawang tao. Naniniwala din kasi ako na hindi para sa tao ang kautusan kundi para sa Spirito. Ibinigay lang sa tao par a ihanda ang Spirito.

Gusto ko lang malinawan, maari kasi na walang anyo din ang mga angel.
Ito lang po katanungan ko.
Ipagpaumanhin nyu po, sana wala naman ako nasabing masama. Mas masasagot nyu po yan kasi tagapagturo kayo ng Quaran kaysa sa mga nabasa ko.
 
hindi po ako mangangaral ng Quran isa po akong ordenaryong muslim lang na may kunting kunting natutunan.
may ibinigay ako sayo na name sa FB pasyalan mo ngtuturo iyon ng ayah sa Quran.at maging sa biblia na hindi mo malalaman sa mga mangangaral na kristian.
may tinuro din siya bakit ang mga judio tingin kay jesus ay isang bulaan dahil may sinabi si hesus kasi sa biblia na hindi ngkatotoo
sila po ang mga tagapagturo sa Quran hindi po ako
 
Regarding to your question, if si Jesus ba ang Diyos, Yes po sagot ko. Marami pong proof sa bible, mapa old or new testament man yan. magbibigay lang ako ng ilang bible verse na ntatandaan ko.

simulan po natin sa book of john

John 1:1
1 Nang pasimula siya ang Verbo, at ang Verbo ay sumasa Dios, at ang Verbo ay Dios.

John 1:14
14 At nagkatawang-tao ang Verbo, at tumahan sa gitna natin (at nakita namin ang kaniyang kaluwalhatian, kaluwalhatian gaya ng sa bugtong ng Ama), na puspos ng biyaya at katotohanan.

- Yan ay patotoo sa propesiya ni propeta isaiah.


Isaiah 9:6
6 Sapagka't sa atin ay ipinanganak ang isang bata, sa atin ay ibinigay ang isang anak na lalake; at ang pamamahala ay maaatang sa kaniyang balikat: at ang kaniyang pangalan ay tatawaging Kamanghamangha, Tagapayo, Makapangyarihang Dios, Walang hanggang Ama, Pangulo ng Kapayapaan.


-kung nalilito po kayo, mismo ng si Jesus na ang nagsabi.

John 10:30
30 Ako at ang Ama ay iisa.
 
walang letrang "j" sa hebrew kaya mali ang jehovah! imbento yan..
ang original na nakalagay sa bible ay puro consonants ang tawag "tetra gramatron" yata yun na ang katumbas na letra sa english ay YHWH walang vowels... (no known pronunciation, dahil sa sacred ang pangalan ng Ama ayaw nilang banggitin... nawala na o wala ng nakakaalam)
kaya nagimbento ang iba ginawa nilang YaWeH
nilagyan nila ng vowels.. mali, imbento!
dahil naman sa language barrier hindi mai-pronounce ng ibang lahi ang Y saka W so pinalitan nila ng J at V
kaya naging JHVH
then nilagyan nila ng vowels JeHoVah.. imbento inaamin nila sa libro nila yan "reasoning fron tje scriptures"


hindi na problema kung hindi na ntin alam ang pangalan Niya kung anak ka ng Dios Ama ang itatawag mo sa Kanya... the fact na ang "Ama" ay eternal name Niya.

Isaias 63:16 Sapagka't ikaw ay aming Ama, bagaman hindi kami kinilala ni Abraham, at hindi kami kilala ng Israel: ikaw, Oh Panginoon, ay aming Ama, aming Manunubos na mula sa walang pasimula ay siya mong pangalan.

kaya wag po tayo maniwala sa sinasabi nila...
 
Bakit naman kasi pinagdiskitahan ng mga JW na lagyan ng pronounciation yang tetragramaton(YHWH) na yan eh napakasagradong pangalan nyan kahit mga esraelita ngiming banggitin yan katunayan wala ng nakakaalam ng bigkas dyan.lumalabas kayo pa ang nagbigay ng pangalan sa KATAASTAASANG DIOS,hindi na kinilabutan tong ma mga to.di ba kawalang galang na tawagin mong Pedro ang tatay mo?kung anak ka ama mo dapat itawag mo ama hindi pedro.ang tatawag lang na Pedro sa tatay mo yong ka level nya o mas mataas sa kanya.mayron bang ka level ang Dios o mas mataas pa sa kanya para bigyan nyo sya ng pangalan.kung ako sa inyo i-retain nyo nalang ang pangalang YHWH sundin nyo na lang ang turo ni kristo hindi nya tinawag sa pangalang yan ang Ama sa halip itinuro nya na bilang mga anak ng Dios tawagin natin syang Ama.wag po tayong humigit sa nakasulat.
 
Well probably no ok let me explain
Well prepare for a very long explaination which I copied from the evilbible.com

According to Jesus’ admissions, as well as the Bible’s prophecies, Jesus of Nazareth could not have been the Messiah. This of course, would invalidate Christianity as we know it. The compilation presented here shall be split in three sections. The first shall be the biblical prophecies that were made in order to identify the messiah, which Jesus does not fulfill. The second shall be the prophecies that Christians use to say that Jesus was the Messiah, yet they clearly fail. The third set shall be the prophecies and statements Jesus made yet they are false and have never came true.

Prophecies to Identify the Messiah, Which Jesus Does Not Fulfill:

1) Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel, which means “God with us.” Yet no one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible.

2) The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the ****** Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.

3) Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.

Prophecies Christians Use to Verify Jesus as the Messiah, Yet Clearly Fail:

4) The gospels (especially Matthew 21:4 and John 12:14-15) claim that Jesus fulfills the prophecy of Zechariah 9:9. But the next few verses (Zechariah 9:10-13) show that the person referred to in this verse is a military king that would rule “from sea to sea”. Since Jesus had neither an army nor a kingdom, he could not have fulfilled this prophecy.

5) Matthew (Matthew 2:17-18) quotes Jeremiah (Jeremiah 31:15), claiming that it was a prophecy of King Herod’s alleged slaughter of the children in and around Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus. But this passage refers to the Babylonian captivity, as is clear by reading the next two verses (Jeremiah 31:16-17), and, thus, has nothing to do with Herod’s massacre.

6) John 19:33 says that during Jesus’ crucifixion, the soldiers didn’t break his legs because he was already dead. Verse John 19:36 claims that this fulfilled a prophecy: “Not a bone of him shall be broken.” But there is no such prophecy. It is sometimes said that the prophecy appears in Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12 & Psalm 34:20. This is not correct. Exodus 12:46 & Numbers 9:12 are not prophecies, they are commandments. The Israelites are told not to break the bones of the Passover lamb, and this is all it is about. And Psalm 34:20 seems to refer to righteous people in general (see verse Psalm 34:19, where a plural is used), not to make a prophecy about a specific person.

7) “When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.” Hosea 11:1. Matthew (Matthew 2:15) claims that the flight of Jesus’ family to Egypt is a fulfillment of this verse. But Hosea 11:1 is not a prophecy at all. It is a reference to the Hebrew exodus from Egypt and has nothing to do with Jesus. Matthew tries to hide this fact by quoting only the last part of the verse (“Out of Egypt I have called my son”).

8a) “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” Micah 5:2 The gospel of Matthew (Matthew 2:5-6) claims that Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem fulfils this prophecy. But this is unlikely for two reasons.

8b) “Bethlehem Ephratah” in Micah 5:2 refers not to a town, but to a clan: the clan of Bethlehem, who was the son of Caleb’s second wife, Ephrathah (1 Chronicles 2:18, 2:50-52 & 4:4).

8c) The prophecy (if that is what it is) does not refer to the Messiah, but rather to a military leader, as can be seen from Micah 5:6. This leader is supposed to defeat the Assyrians, which, of course, Jesus never did. It should also be noted that Matthew altered the text of Micah 5:2 by saying: “And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah” rather than “Bethlehem Ephratah” as is said in Micah 5:2. He did this, intentionally no doubt, to make this verse appear to refer to the town of Bethlehem rather than the family clan.

Statements Jesus Made Which Are False:

9) Jesus in John 14:12 & Mark 16:17-18 said: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth in me, the works that I do shall he also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” This implies that Jesus’ true followers should be able to routinely perform the following tricks: 1) cast out devils, 2) speak in tongues, 3) take up serpents, 4) drink poisons without harm, and 5) cure the sick by touching them and MANY other of Jesus’ “works”. Curiously I have yet to see a Christian that can do any of the above on demand.

10) In John 14:13-14 Jesus stated: “And whatsoever ye ask in my name I do, that the Father may be glorified in the son. If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” In reality, millions of people have made millions of requests in Jesus’ name and failed to receive satisfaction. This promise or prophecy has failed completely.

11) Paul says Christianity lives or dies on the Resurrection (1 Corinthian 15:14-17). Yet Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that he would be buried three days and three nights as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights. Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning is only one and a half days, so he could not have been the messiah by his own and Paul’s admission.

12) Jesus’ prophecy in John 13:38 (“The cock shall not crow, till thou [Peter] hast denied me three times”) is false. Mark 14:66-68 shows the cock crowed after the first denial, not the third.

13) In Mark 10:19 Jesus said: “Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, do not s†éál, do not **** false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.” Jesus needs to re-read the Ten Commandments. There is no Old Testament commandment against defrauding. The only relevant statement about defrauding is in Leviticus 19:13 , which says : “Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor.” This is an OT law, but is not listed with the Ten Commandments. Surely, if Jesus was god incarnate he would know the commandments.

14) “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven” (John 3:13). If Jesus is in heaven, how can he be down on earth speaking? Moreover, according to 2 Kings 2:11 (“and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven”) Jesus was not the only person to ascend into heaven, nor was he the first. Elijah preceded him and apparently Enoch did also (“And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him”–Genesis 5:24).

15) In Luke 23:43 Jesus said to the thief on the cross, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.” This obviously has to be false, for Jesus was supposed to lay dead in the tomb for three days following his crucifixion.

1 6) Jesus says : “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy” (Matthew 5:43). This statement does not exist in the OT either. In fact, Proverbs 24:17 says, “Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth…”

17) Jesus is reported to say: “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it” (Luke 16:16). Certainly every man is not pressing to enter the kingdom of God. The very fact that I am an atheist (one third of the world’s population does not believe in a god) proves this verse to be false.

18) “Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the Sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?” (Matthew 12:5) Nowhere does the OT state that the priests in the temple profaned the Sabbath and were considered blameless.

19) “Yea; have ye never read, ‘Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise'” (Matthew 21:16). Jesus is quoting Psalm 8:2, which says, “Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies…”. “Perfect praise” has little to do with “ordaining strength because of thine enemies.” Another misquotation!

20) “But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him” (Mark 9:13). There are no prophecies in the OT of things that were to happen to Elijah.

Jesus, in all his “God incarnate” wisdom, contradicts himself:

21) Jesus consistently contradicts himself concerning his Godly status. “I and my father are one.” (John 14:28) Also see Philippians 2:5-6 Those verses lead us to believe that he is a part of the trinity and equal to his father being a manifestation of him. Yet, Jesus also made many statements that deny he is the perfect men, much less God incarnate. Take the following for example: “Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God” (Matthew 19:17). “My father if greater then I.” (John 14:28) Also see Matthew 24:26 Clearly, Jesus is denouncing the possibility of him being the Messiah in those three verses.

22) Jesus said, “whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire” (Matthew 5:22). Yet, he himself did so repeatedly, as Matthew 23:17-19 and Luke 11:40 & 12:20 show. Clearly Jesus should be in danger of hell too?

23) Does Jesus support peace, or war? Matthew 5:39 “Resist not evil, but whoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” Also note Matthew 6:38-42 & 26:52 where Jesus teaches non-resistance, Non-violence. Now read (Luke 22:36-37) Where Jesus commands people to take arms for a coming conflict. (John 2:15) Jesus uses a whip to physically drive people out of the temple.

24) Matthew 15:24 Jesus said, “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of lsrael,”. This would of course mean that he is here only to save the Jews. The scriptures repeatedly back up this notion that Christ is savior to the Jews and not the gentiles (see Romans 16:17, Revelations 14:3-4 & John 10). The contradiction lies in what Jesus later tells his followers: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations” (Matthew 28:19).

25) Can we hate our kindred? Luke 14:26 Jesus says “If any man come unto me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brother, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he can not be my disciple.” John 3:15 “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer.” Also see Ephesians 6:22, 5:25, & Matthew 15:4

26) Even many of the staunchest defenders of Jesus admit that his comment in Matthew 10:34 (“I came not to send peace but a sword”) contradicts verses such as Matthew 26:52 (“Put up again thy sword into his place: for all that take the sword shall perish with the sword”).

27) Deuteronomy 24:1 & 21:10-14 all say that divorce is allowed for the simple reason if a “man no longer delighteth in his wife”. Yet Jesus comes along and breaks his father’s law by saying in Matthew 5:32 that adultery is the only way one can be divorced.

28) In Mark 8:35 Jesus said: “…but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s the same shall save it.” How could Jesus have said this when there was no gospel when he lived? The gospel did not appear until after his death.

29) Matthew 6:13 Jesus recites a revised prayer and states, “Don’t bring us into temptation.” God is the cause of everything, even Satan. God has been leading people into temptation since the Garden of Eden. Otherwise, the trees of life and knowledge would have never been there.

30) Matthew 12:1-8 Jesus thinks it’s okay to break his father’s laws, by breaking the Sabbath day. He states that he is basically exempt for such fiascoes and that he is Master of the Sabbath.

31) John 3:17 Jesus contradicts himself when he says, “God didn’t send his son into the world to condemn it, but to save it.” Jesus seems to forget his own stories.

32) James 4:3 If your prayers are not answered, it’s your own damned fault. This is in direct contradiction to where Jesus says “seek and ye shall find, ask and it shall be known to you”.

33) “If Jesus bears witness of himself his witness is true” John 8:14, “If I **** witness of myself it is not true.” John 5:31

34) “I am with you always, even unto the end of the world” (Matthew 28:20), versus “For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always” (Matthew 26:11 , Mark 14:7, John 12:8) and “Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am thither ye cannot come” (John 7:34). Is this the kind of friend one can rely on?

35) “And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her” (Mark 10:11 & Luke 6:18), versus “And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery” (Matthew 19:9). In the book of Matthew, Jesus said a man could put away his wife if one factor– fornication–is involved. In Mark and Luke he allowed no exceptions.

36) Jesus is quoted: “Judge not, and ye shall be not judged; condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven” (Luke 6:37 & Matthew 7:1), versus “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Jesus stated men are not to judge but, then, allowed it under certain conditions. As in the case of divorce, he can’t seem to formulate a consistent policy.

37) “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46, (also note the time before crucification where Jesus prays for the “cup to passeth over me”) versus “Now is my soul troubled. And what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour?’ No, for this purpose I have come to this hour” (John 12:27 RSV). Jesus can’t seem to decide whether or not he wants to die. One moment he is willing; the next he isn’t.

38) In Luke 23:30 (“Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, fall on us, and to the hills, cover us”) Jesus quoted Hosea 10:8 (“…and they shall say to the mountains, cover us; and to the hills, fall on us”). And, like Paul, he often quoted inaccurately. In this instance, he confused mountains with hills.

39) “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they know him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist” (Matthew 17:11-13). John the Baptist was beheaded, but Jesus was not. And what did John the Baptist restore? Nothing!

40) We are told salvation is obtained by faith alone (John 3:18 & 36) yet Jesus told a man to follow the Commandments-Matthew 19:16-18 (saving by works)-if he wanted eternal life.

41) In Luke 12:4 Jesus told his followers to “Be not afraid of them that kill the body.” But Matthew 12:14-16, John 7:1, 8:59, 10:39, 11:53-54, & Mark 1:45 show that Jesus consistently feared death. Jesus went out of his way to hide, run, and attempt escape from the Roman and Jewish authorities.

42) Matthew 5:28 says to sin in “your heart” is considered a sin in itself. The messiah is supposed to be God incarnate, not able to sin, yet in Matthew 4:5 & Luke 4:5-9, Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert, which is sinning in his heart. Jesus also took upon all the sins of the world during his crucifixion, so how can it be said that “Jesus was the perfect man without sin”? This would lead one to believe he was not the Messiah.

43) Jesus told us to “Love your enemies; bless them that curse you,” but ignored his own advice by repeatedly denouncing his opposition. Matthew 23:17 (“Ye fools and blind”), Matthew 12:34 (“0 generation of vipers”), and Matthew 23:27 (“. . . hypocrites . . . ye are like unto whited sepulchres. . .”) are excellent examples of hypocrisy.

44) Did the people of Jesus’ generation see any signs? (Matthew 12:38-40) Jesus announced that no signs would be given to that generation except the Resurrection itself. (Mark 8:12-13) Jesus announced that no signs would be given to that generation. (Mark 16:20) They went out preaching, and the Lord confirmed the word through accompanying signs. (John 20:30) Jesus provided many wonders and signs. (Acts 2:22) Jesus provided many wonders and signs. (Acts 5:12 & 8:13) many signs and wonders were done through the apostles.

45) Jesus commands the disciples to go into Galilee immediately after the resurrection. Matthew 28:10 Jesus commands the disciples to “tarry in Jerusalem” immediately after the resurrection.

46) Matthew 28:18 & John 3:35 both tell that Jesus said he could do anything. Yet Mark 6:5 says Jesus was not all powerful.

47) Jesus says in Luke 2:13-14 that he came to bring peace on earth. Matthew 10:34 Jesus back peddles and says he did not come to bring peace on earth.

48) Did Christ receive testimony from man? “Ye sent unto John and he bare witness unto the truth. But I receive not testimony from man.” John 5:33-34 “And ye shall also **** witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.” John 15:27

49) Christ laid down his life for his friends. John 15:13 & 10:11 Christ laid down his life for his enemies. Romans 5:10

50) Deuteronomy 23:2 says that bastards can not attend church unto the tenth generation. If Jesus was spawned by Mary and Jehovah as the Bible claims then he is technically a bastard and should not be the leader of the church.


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brod MynamesAlvin total pagka anak ng dios ang isue kong si hesus ay anak ng dios sino panganay sa tatlo?
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yang dalawa ay pnanganay ng dios Israel at Efhraim
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Paniwalaan mo na lang ang kung ano ang pinaniniwalaan mo or sadyang ikaw ang ginagamit ng demons para mag spread ng fake news..Whuahahaha!!!!!
 
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