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President Rodrigo Duterte and his alter egos doubt their own countrymen whose boat was sunk by a Chinese ship in the West Philippine Sea on June 9, 2019

After 22 Filipino fishermen aboard fishing boat Gem-Ver You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. by a Chinese vessel in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), they face another collision at home: with their own government.
While the fishermen insisted that they were rammed by a Chinese vessel, President Rodrigo Duterte on June 17 You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. as a "maritime incident."
At the same time, Duterte's men either refused to adopt the fishermen's statements or contradicted them outright.
The President himself echoed China's foreign ministry, which said on June 13 that the sinking of Gem-Ver You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. He refused to condemn China – You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. against the United States, the European Union, Canada, and Kuwait over perceived affronts to Filipinos.
Duterte also You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. of a joint Manila-Beijing investigation into the issue – which, according to critics, places the Philippines and China in one team against the fishermen.
"Hindi namin alam kung kinakampihan pa kami (We don't know if they're still siding with us)," You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., one of the owners of Gem-Ver, on June 18.

Senator Panfilo Lacson said Duterte's spokesman, Salvador Panelo, You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.
"He is acting like the defense ministry of China, or is lawyering for the Chinese crew, because he is finding loopholes in our fishermen's words," said Lacson in a mix of English and Filipino. "His mindset is like a defense counsel entering his appearance for China, as if he was in a courtroom."

Is the Philippine government indeed lawyering for China?


The incident is only part of the stream of a grander issue: the Philippines' rights over Recto Bank.
Duterte himself downplays the Philippines' exclusive rights to fish in the area.

This is despite a 2016 international ruling that recognizes Recto Bank as part of the Philippines' exclusive economic zone, a 200-nautical mile area where the Philippines has the exclusive rights to fish and enjoy other resources, such as oil and natural gas.

Simply put: The waters where the Philippine boat was sunk by a Chinese ship belong to the Philippines alone.
Duterte on June 21 said the Recto Bank incident was not an attack on Philippine sovereignty, but You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. over the area.

On June 24, Duterte stressed that Recto Bank "has two conflicting claims of ownership," even if a Hague tribunal already ruled, once and for all, that the West Philippine Sea belongs to the Philippines.
In effect, Duterte, like China, was not recognizing the Hague ruling of 2016.


In the same June 24 interview, a journalist asked the President: "Will you prevent China from fishing within our EEZ? Iyong pwede po bang… kasi 'yun 'yung request ng mga fishermen?"
Duterte answered: "I don't think that China would do that. Why? Because we're friends. And they are of the same view that that should not result in any bloody confrontation."

Panelo, interpreting Duterte, said the Philippines "will allow" China to fish in the West Philippine Sea "kasi we're friends naman, 'di magbigayan muna tayo



Experts say the Recto Bank incident could only be a test of the Duterte government's reaction to China’s similar moves in the future. If the government reacts lightly, this could further embolden China to ram more Filipino boats to drive them away from the West Philippine Sea.


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we call that sea..west philippine sea..while china calls it sout china sea..it is not really our sovereignity atm..2016 the itc granted it to us and told us that we should have that because it is our own..but the china dont want to recognize the decision of the ITC..ofcourse they will not follow the rules..but did thr western stronger countries do anything except from just that they are against the china on what their doing.?..nothing..they like you people just wants the Philippines to have conflict against China
Duterte said that the Philippines does not have SOVEREIGNTY over its exclusive economic zone, which covers the West Philippine Sea. He is correct. But we do have SOVEREIGN RIGHTS over these waters!
The Philippines has SOVEREIGNTY over its landmass and its 12-nautical mile territorial sea. The Philippines has SOVEREIGN RIGHTS over its exclusive economic zone, which means we have exclusive rights to fish and explore oil, natural gas, and other resources there.

There is NO ISSUE about Duterte saying "we don't have sovereignty over our EEZ" based on the Hague ruling. We don't. The question is why Duterte insists on what we don't have. What about the thing we have – SOVEREIGN RIGHTS? We have sovereign rights !
The question is, why isn't Duterte asserting our SOVEREIGN RIGHTS – meaning our exclusive rights to fish – in the West Philippine Sea?
 
Duterte said that the Philippines does not have SOVEREIGNTY over its exclusive economic zone, which covers the West Philippine Sea. He is correct. But we do have SOVEREIGN RIGHTS over these waters!
The Philippines has SOVEREIGNTY over its landmass and its 12-nautical mile territorial sea. The Philippines has SOVEREIGN RIGHTS over its exclusive economic zone, which means we have exclusive rights to fish and explore oil, natural gas, and other resources there.

There is NO ISSUE about Duterte saying "we don't have sovereignty over our EEZ" based on the Hague ruling. We don't. The question is why Duterte insists on what we don't have. What about the thing we have – SOVEREIGN RIGHTS? We have sovereign rights !
The question is, why isn't Duterte asserting our SOVEREIGN RIGHTS – meaning our exclusive rights to fish – in the West Philippine Sea?
did someone or any other country prohibit our fishermen to fish on that area..??.
 
like pdu30 said in the interview, part yun ng naging kasunsuan para di itaboy ang mga mangingisdang Pinoy doon na nangyari in the past where China has extended its claims sa south China Sea.
About the ramming incident who knows what really transpired.
at get the fvck off that ruling na wala naman makakapagpatupad, the ruling favored us, but it is also upon ourselves to enforce it, how ridiculous is that?
an ant saying to an elephant go somewhere to do your sh*t.
at may mga b*bo din na nagsasabi, gerahin ang China.
at para sa mga ganito ang utak, I will tell you.
the Philippines is a sovereign nation now.
BUT if we engage in war against China, we will surely lose not only islands or territorial waters but also the sovereignty of the land.
babalik tayo sa pagiging aliping bansa tulad noon, sa panahon ng mga espanyol, American at hapon.
 
like pdu30 said in the interview, part yun ng naging kasunsuan para di itaboy ang mga mangingisdang Pinoy doon na nangyari in the past where China has extended its claims sa south China Sea.
About the ramming incident who knows what really transpired.
at get the fvck off that ruling na wala naman makakapagpatupad, the ruling favored us, but it is also upon ourselves to enforce it, how ridiculous is that?
an ant saying to an elephant go somewhere to do your sh*t.
at may mga b*bo din na nagsasabi, gerahin ang China.
at para sa mga ganito ang utak, I will tell you.
the Philippines is a sovereign nation now.
BUT if we engage in war against China, we will surely lose not only islands or territorial waters but also the sovereignty of the land.
babalik tayo sa pagiging aliping bansa tulad noon, sa panahon ng mga espanyol, American at hapon.
NOBODY wants to engage in a war with china and china does not want to engage in a war with anybody!!!
ONLY duterte and his fanatic dds are talking about war... duterte calls to war are nothing but drama. He has been ρáíd by china and is scared they'll tell all of us how much if he doesn't keep his end of the bargain.
 
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yes china does! How many times they harassed the fishermen, even s†éáling their catch :mad:
the president is not a superman..he cant do it all..we have to defend ourselves sometimes...a few chinese fishermen doesnt represent china as a whole..unfair and bad people can be found anywhere even in the middle of the ocean..bullies is the term
 
NOBODY wants to engage in a war with china and china does not want to engage in a war with anybody!!!
ONLY duterte and his fanatic dds are talking about war... duterte calls to war are nothing but drama. He has been ρáíd by china and is scared they'll tell all of us how much if he doesn't keep his end of the bargain.
put on the table the facts of the said deal..if none then it is a fraud statement against the president
 
Del Rosario on Wednesday posed the following questions to the Duterte government:

  1. Is this to be viewed as a successful Chinese invasion without a shot being fired?
  2. Is this now a Philippine policy?
  3. Is this not a clear violation of our Constitution that mandates our President and our military to defend what is ours?
  4. To what extent will this adversely diminish or nullify what we had won in our arbitral tribunal victory?
  5. To what extent will this embolden the Chinese militia vessels to further bully our fishermen? And what is to happen to our poor fishermen?
  6. How close are we now towards also giving up our exclusive rights to oil and gas within our EEZ?
  7. With the artificial island building, the destruction of the marine environment, and now this, how much faster will it take to exhaust the fish resources?
  8. And when will we stop giving our northern neighbor primacy over our own people?
 
ang tanung gustu ba ng taong bayan ang gyera sa china ang tanung ba eh lalaban ba tau kung sakaling mag deklair ng war c tatay digong cnu ang sasama sa gyera ung mga d nagiisip sa sasapitin ng ibang tao kapag may war sa china at pinas madaming maddamay
 
eto na naman sya, kung may kapangyarihan lang ako ginawa ko na kayo presidente, 3 kayo ni trillanes at robredo. isama ko na rin si alejano para perfect na ang pilipinas.
 
NOBODY wants to engage in a war with china and china does not want to engage in a war with anybody!!!
ONLY duterte and his fanatic dds are talking about war... duterte calls to war are nothing but drama. He has been ρáíd by china and is scared they'll tell all of us how much if he doesn't keep his end of the bargain.
dds are not the ones who want war, but those people that are fooled or either born foolish.
and china does not and will not need to pay a cent for its claims--China is almost a superpower, a mammoth in Asia.
and carpio is really stupid, as the president says he is--yes he is correct that the exclusivity of economic zone should be and only be for filipinos to enjoy, BUT that only comes to reality in a perfect condition for the philippines.
WE ARE NOT ON THAT PERFECT scenario--we are against a mammoth building its power day-by-day, a country where no one interferes that even the "once great", the United States of America bends its knees.
 
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awinahe ... Ipapa-impeach nyo ang Pangulong may mataas na approval rating? Goodluck.
 

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1. The Arbitral Decision declared Scarborough Shoal traditional fishing grounds of Filipino, Chinese, Vietnamese, and other nationalities.

2. But Scarborough Shoal is within our EEZ.

3. Your argument: Constitution doesn't allow other nationalities to enjoy maritime wealth within our EEZ.
4. Enforcing the Arbitral Decision declaring Scarborough Shoal open for use by at least two other foreign nationalities entails violating the Constitution because that part of our EEZ is no longer exclusive for Filipinos.
But you want the Arbitral decision to be enforced. So that means you want the Constitution to be violated. Right?
 
Defining the scope of your sovereignty (i.e. the extent of your absolute control to territory) is NOT a matter of domestic law. What counts as territory, which is necessary in establishing the scope of sovereignty, is established by INTERNATIONAL NORMS and not by domestic law. And international norms (collection of customs and codified treaties), is a product of international negotiations and practice. That's why you cannot just declare anything as part of your territory without justifying it vis-a-vis prevailing international norms and WITHOUT international recognition.

This is best explained by answering this question: Can you claim the moon as part of your territory? Yes, if territory is a matter of domestic law. No, if territory is a matter of international law. Fact is: You cannot declare the moon as part your territory, as provided in Aritcle 11 (2) of the 1979 Agreement Governing the Activities of States On the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies:
"The moon is not subject to national appropriation by any claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means."
Can your Contitution declare otherwise? Sure. But that would not have any international recognition, therefore that claim is EMPTY. The Constitution is NOT the final authority on the issue of territory, because for a territorial claim to be valid, it requires INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION.
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DESTRUCTIVE THINKING: Responsibility ko lang ay determined ng artificial concept like EEZ.

NEW THINKING: Bago isipin ang karapatan, dapat responsibilidad muna. Why? Dahil an necessary condition para ma-enjoy mo ang karapatan mo over nature eh the survival of the latter. The South China Sea is a large marine ecosystem. Bilang coastal state your responsibility is NOT limited by an arbitrary rule like EEZ. Your responsibility is towards that ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM. At dahil marami kayong nakapalibot sa ecosystem na yan, YOU ARE EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE to the entire system. You share the responsibility. And because you share the responsibility over it, you share the right over it as well
 
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