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Ang alam ko yong lahi mo ang mga unggoy diba kamag-anak mo si darwin?dami mo pang pasakalye kung may alam ka sa bigbang na yan ilatag mo para matanong ka ng mga bumabasa tingnan natin kung mayron kang mapapaniwala.may pa ato-atomic ka pang nalalaman eh visible na yang sinasabi mo.

Dyan lang ang daming tanong ang lilitaw dyan.
Ha ? Ino utosan moba ako ? Men ang scientific theory ay hindi gaya ng Bible na pwedi mo nalang basta2 e post kasi nga fixed na eyyy kuha kalang ng verse tapos done

Maglalatag talaga ako eyy ang haba pag enexplain yun maboboring ang kunsino ang mag basa at papagorin ko lang sarili ko dahil hindi naman lahat matalino kaya nga sa school kunti lang ang honor kasi kunti lang ang masipag ang utak

At hindi rin ako mahilig mag copy paste alam mo yan dahil sa ilang bisis na tayong nag bag gaan dito wala akong matandaan na nag copy paste ako

Ang mga sinasabi ko ay mga bagay lang na naiintindihan ko
 
Theory parin hanggang ngayon ang klase ng science na pinapaniwalaan mo hindi talaga naging facts kahit kailan, pero ang Bible mga scientist at mga archeologist na mismo ang nagpapatunay na totoong nangyari ang mga bagay na nasa Bible, at hanggang ngayon nakakadiscover ang mga scientist ng mga bagay na nauna nang nakatala sa Bible bago pa matuklasan ng mga dalubhasa

Katulad nitong watercycle

Job 36:
27
Sapagka't pinailanglang niya ang mga patak ng tubig, na nagiging ulan mula sa singaw na yaon:

28 Na ibinubuhos ng mga langit at ipinapatak na sagana sa tao.


Paano nalaman ng Bible na mula sa singaw( vapor) ang tubig ulan?
Hindi pa naman pinagaaralan noon ang science of matter o classification of matter
Aw normal lang na may ganyang sulat ano tingin mo sa mga tao noon walng alam ? Nakagawa nga sila ng mga building na walang mga heavy equipment at iba pa

Ganyang eksplinasyon pa kaya

Anong hindi naging facts ang evolution talaga wow saang libro mo ba yan nakuha men

Isa na namang tao ang hindi alam ang meaning ng scientific theory okay sigi ito

A " scientific theory " is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported "theories " are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

Explain mo nga ang evolution at saan ito nag kamali ng masupalpal nayang pinag sasabi mo hayyyy

Bat andaming katulad nyo tsk tsk tsk ayaw kona sa earth men
 
Aw normal lang na may ganyang sulat ano tingin mo sa mga tao noon walng alam ? Nakagawa nga sila ng mga building na walang mga heavy equipment at iba pa

Ganyang eksplinasyon pa kaya

Anong hindi naging facts ang evolution talaga wow saang libro mo ba yan nakuha men

Isa na namang tao ang hindi alam ang meaning ng scientific theory okay sigi ito

A " scientific theory " is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported "theories " are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

Explain mo nga ang evolution at saan ito nag kamali ng masupalpal nayang pinag sasabi mo hayyyy

Bat andaming katulad nyo tsk tsk tsk ayaw kona sa earth men
Theory ay hindi facts ito ay speculations lamang, walang matibay na evidence..ano kaba naman...(-_-

Katulad ng pinapaniwalaan mong bigbang theory,, how can something came out of nothing?
Adik lang?

Bakit di na account sa ancient greece at roman empire na mga mananaliksik ang mga bagay nayan kung normal lang yang tungkol sa watercycle eh ang dami na rin mga mananaliksik noong panahon ng mga apostol eh nasakop ng roman empire ang israel at greece noon
Tapos kailan lang nadiscover ang water cycle nito lang year 1580

Ikaw mahilig ka talaga sa speculations hahaha natatawa ako sa klase ng mentalidad mo
 
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Aw normal lang na may ganyang sulat ano tingin mo sa mga tao noon walng alam ? Nakagawa nga sila ng mga building na walang mga heavy equipment at iba pa

Ganyang eksplinasyon pa kaya

Anong hindi naging facts ang evolution talaga wow saang libro mo ba yan nakuha men

Isa na namang tao ang hindi alam ang meaning ng scientific theory okay sigi ito

A " scientific theory " is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported "theories " are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

Explain mo nga ang evolution at saan ito nag kamali ng masupalpal nayang pinag sasabi mo hayyyy

Bat andaming katulad nyo tsk tsk tsk ayaw kona sa earth men
Hindi raw sya nag copy and paste? :):):)
 
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Ha ? Ino utosan moba ako ? Men ang scientific theory ay hindi gaya ng Bible na pwedi mo nalang basta2 e post kasi nga fixed na eyyy kuha kalang ng verse tapos done

Maglalatag talaga ako eyy ang haba pag enexplain yun maboboring ang kunsino ang mag basa at papagorin ko lang sarili ko dahil hindi naman lahat matalino kaya nga sa school kunti lang ang honor kasi kunti lang ang masipag ang utak

At hindi rin ako mahilig mag copy paste alam mo yan dahil sa ilang bisis na tayong nag bag gaan dito wala akong matandaan na nag copy paste ako

Ang mga sinasabi ko ay mga bagay lang na naiintindihan ko

Ah,ganon ba o sege ako na lang magpopost copy paste lang ito.pero makakatulong sa mga nagbabasa pasensya na kasi english ito mas mainam para sa mga nakapag-aral:

Can Quantum Mechanics Produce a Universe from Nothing?

by Jeff Miller, Ph.D.

According to the First Law of Thermodynamics, nothing in the Universe (i.e., matter or energy) can pop into existence from nothing (see Miller, 2013). All of the scientific evidence points to that conclusion. So, the Universe could not have popped into existence before the alleged “big bang” (an event which we do not endorse). Therefore, God must have created the Universe.

One of the popular rebuttals by the atheistic community is that quantum mechanics could have created the Universe. In 1905, Albert Einstein proposed the idea of mass-energy equivalence, resulting in the famous equation, E = mc2 (1905). We now know that matter can be converted to energy, and vice versa. However, energy and mass are conserved, in keeping with the First Law. In the words of the famous evolutionary astronomer, Robert Jastrow, “[T]he principle of the conservation of matter and energy…states that matter and energy can be neither created nor destroyed. Matter can be converted into energy, and vice versa, but the total amount of all matter and energy in the Universe must remain unchanged forever” (1977, p. 32). The idea of matter-energy conversion led one physicist to postulate, in essence, that the cosmic egg that exploded billions of years ago in the alleged “big bang”—commencing the “creation” of the Universe—could have come into existence as an energy-to-matter conversion.

In 1973, physicist Edward Tryon of the Hunter College of the City University of New York published a paper in the British science journal Nature titled, “Is the Universe a Vacuum Fluctuation?” He proposed the idea that the Universe could be a large scale vacuum energy fluctuation. He said, “In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time” (246:397, emp. added). Does it really? Cosmologist and theoretical physicist Alexander Vilenkin, Director of the Institute of Cosmology at Tufts University, said:

Now, what Tryon was suggesting was that our entire universe, with its vast amount of matter, was a huge quantum fluctuation, which somehow failed to disappear for more than 10 billion years. Everybody thought that was a very funny joke. But Tryon was not joking. He was devastated by the reaction of his colleagues… (2006, p. 184).


Though he was originally scoffed at, Tryon’s theory has gained traction among many prominent evolutionary scientists. After all, if true, according to Vilenkin, “such a creation event would not require a cause” for the Universe (pp. 184-185).

SPECULATION VS. OBSERVATION

The fact is, the idea that such an event could happen is pure speculation and conjecture. No such phenomenon—the conversion from energy to matter of an entire Universe—has ever been remotely observed. It is a desperate attempt to hold to naturalistic presuppositions, in spite of the evidence, when a supernatural option that is in keeping with the evidence is staring us in the face. Evolutionary physicist Victor Stenger said,

[T]he universe is probably the result of a random quantum fluctuation in a spaceless, timeless void.... So what had to happen to start the universe was the formation of an empty bubble of highly curved space-time. How did this bubble form? What caused it? Not everything requires a cause. It could have just happened spontaneously as one of the many linear combinations of universes that has the quantum numbers of the void.... Much is still in the speculative stage, and I must admit that there are yetno empirical or observational tests that can be used to test the idea of an accidental origin (1987, 7[3]:26-30, italics in orig., emp. added.).


No evidence. No scientific observation. Just speculation.

Writing in the Skeptical Inquirer in 1994, Ralph Estling voiced strong disapproval of the idea that the Universe could create itself out of nothing. He wrote:

I do not think that what these cosmologists, these quantum theorists, these universe-makers, are doing is science. I can’t help feeling that universes are notoriously disinclined to spring into being, ready-made, out of nothing, even if Edward Tryon (ah, a name at last!) has written that “our universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time....” Perhaps, although we have the word of many famous scientists for it, our universe is not simply one of those things that happen from time to time (18[4]:430, parenthetical item in orig., emp. added).


Estling’s comments initiated a wave of controversy and letters to the Skeptical Inquirer, eliciting a response by Estling to his critics. Among other observations, he said, “All things begin with speculation, science not excluded. But if no empirical evidence is eventually forthcoming, or can be forthcoming, all speculation is barren.... There is no evidence, so far, that the entire universe, observable and unobservable, emerged from a state of absolute Nothingness” (1995, 19[1]:69-70, emp. added). Therefore, by naturalists’ own definition of science, such an idea is unscientific. There is no evidence that could prove such a thing. The creationist platform is in keeping with observational science and has positive evidence of a divine Being (e.g., the presence of intelligent design in nature, the existence of objective morality, the existence of a Universe which demands a cause, and the existence of a Book that contains supernatural characteristics). However, unlike the creationist platform, those who believe in Tryon’s theory are holding to a blind faith.

WHENCE CAME ENERGY?

Second, even if such a thing were possible—that energy could be converted to matter in the way that Tryon has suggested—one must ask, “Where did the energy come from?” Alan Guth, professor of physics at M.I.T., wrote in response to Tryon: “In this context, a proposal that the universe was created from empty space is no more fundamental than a proposal that the universe was spawned by a piece of rubber. It might be true, but one would still want to ask where the piece of rubber came from” (1997, p. 273, emp. added).

Energy could not have popped into existence without violating the First Law of Thermodynamics. So in reality, when scientists argue that quantum mechanics creates something from nothing, they do not really mean “nothing.” The problem of how everything got here is still present. The matter generated in quantum theory is from a vacuum that is not void. Philip Yam of Scientific American wrote, “Energy in the vacuum, though, is very much real. According to modern physics, a vacuum isn’t a pocket of nothingness. It churns with unseen activity even at absolute zero, the temperature defined as the point at which all molecular motion ceases” (1997, p. 82, emp. added). Prominent humanist mathematician and science writer, Martin Gardner, wrote: “It is fashionable now to conjecture that the big bang was caused by a random quantum fluctuation in a vacuum devoid of space and time. But of course such a vacuum is a far cry from nothing” (2000, p. 303, emp. added). Amanda Gefter, writing in New Scientist, said, “Quantum mechanics tells us that the vacuum of space is not empty; instead, it *****les with energy” (2010, p. 29, emp. added). Physicist Richard Morris wrote:

In modern physics, there is no such thing as “nothing.” Even in a perfect vacuum, pairs of virtual particles are constantly being created [i.e., by briefly “borrowing” energy already in existence—JM] and destroyed. The existence of these particles is no mathematical fiction. Though they cannot be directly observed, the effects they create are quite real. The assumption that they exist leads to predictions that have been confirmed by experiment to a high degree of accuracy (Morris, 1990, p. 25, emp. added).


Astrophysicist Rocky Kolb, chairman of the Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago, wrote: “[A] region of seemingly empty space is not really empty, but is a seething froth in which every sort of fundamental particle pops in and out of empty space before annihilating with its antiparticle and disappearing” (1998, 26[2]:43, emp. added). Estling continued his extensive observations in response to his critics (mentioned above), saying:

Quantum cosmologists insist both on this absolute Nothingness and on endowing it with various qualities and characteristics: this particular Nothingness possesses virtual quanta seething in a false vacuum. Quanta, virtual or actual, false or true, are not Nothing, they are definitely Something, although we may argue over what exactly. For one thing, quanta are entities having energy, a vacuum has energy and moreover, extension, i.e., it is something into which other things, such as universes, can be put, i.e., we cannot have our absolute Nothingness and eat it too. If we have quanta and a vacuum as given, we in fact have a pre-existent state of existence that either pre-existed timelessly or brought itself into existence from absolute Nothingness (no quanta, no vacuum, no pre-existing initial conditions) at some precise moment in time; it creates this time, along with the space, matter, and energy, which we call the universe.... I’ve had correspondence with Paul Davies [eminent atheistic theoretical physicist, cosmologist, and astrobiologist of Arizona State University, who advocates the supposition that the Universe created itself from nothing—JM] on cosmological theory, in the course of which, I asked him what he meant by “Nothing.” He wrote back that he had asked Alexander Vilenkin what he meant by it and that Vilenkin had replied, “By Nothing I mean Nothing,” which seemed pretty straightforward at the time, but these quantum cosmologists go on from there to tell us what their particular breed of Nothing consists of. I pointed this out to Davies, who replied that these things are very complicated. I’m willing to admit the truth of that statement, but I think it does not solve the problem (1995, 19[1]:69-70, emp. added).


No wonder Jonathan Sarfati said:

Some physicists assert that quantum mechanics…can produce something from nothing…. But this is a gross misapplication of quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics never produces something out of nothing…. Theories that the Universe is a quantum fluctuation must presuppose that there was something to fluctuate—their “quantum vacuum” is a lot of matter-antimatter potential—not “nothing” (1998, 12[1]:21, emp. added).


Vilenkin, while explaining the problems inherent in Tryon’s work, said:

A more fundamental problem is that Tryon’s scenario does not really explain the origin of the universe. A quantum fluctuation of the vacuum assumes that there was a vacuum of some pre-existing space. And we now know that “vacuum” is very different from “nothing.” Vacuum, or empty space, has energy and tension, it can bend and warp, so it is unquestionably something (2006, p. 185, ital. in orig., emp. added).


He went on to propose that quantum tunneling could be the answer to the creation of the Universe out of nothing. However, quantum tunneling starts with something and ends with something as well. Particles that can jump or tunnel through barriers still must initially exist to do so. Bottom line: according to renowned atheist, theoretical physicist, and cosmologist of Cambridge University, Stephen Hawking, in order to create a Universe, “you need just three ingredients”: matter, energy, and space (“Curiosity…,” 2011). These three ingredients must exist in order to create a Universe, according to Hawking. So, the problem remains. Where did the ingredients for the Universe soup come from? There must be an ultimate Cause of the Universe.

NON-EXISTENT QUANTUM LAW-MAKER?

Third, even if one were to irrationally accept the premise that quantum theory allows for the possibility that Universes could pop into existence, in the words of astrophysicist Marcus Chown:

If the universe owes its origins to quantum theory, then quantum theory must have existed before the universe. So the next question is surely: where did the laws of quantum theory come from? “We do not know,” admits Vilenkin. “I consider that an entirely different question.” When it comes to the beginning of the universe, in many ways we’re still at the beginning (2012, p. 35, emp. added).


Martin Gardner said,

Imagine that physicists finally discover all the basic waves and their particles, and all the basic laws, and unite everything in one equation. We can then ask, “Why that equation?” It is fashionable now to conjecture that the big bang was caused by a random quantum fluctuation in a vacuum devoid of space and time. But of course such a vacuum is a far cry from nothing. There had to be quantum laws to fluctuate. And why are there quantum laws?... There is no escape from the superultimate questions: Why is there something rather than nothing, and why is the something structured the way it is? (2000, p. 303, emp. added).


In “Curiosity: Did God Create the Universe?” Stephen Hawking boldly claimed that everything in the Universe can be accounted for through atheistic evolution without the need of God. This is untrue, as we have discussed elsewhere (e.g., Miller, 2011), but it seems that Hawking does not even believe that assertion himself. He asked the question, “Did God create the quantum laws that allowed the Big Bang to occur? In a nutshell, did we need a god to set it all up so that the Big Bang could bang?” (“Curiosity…,” emp. added). He then proceeded to offer no answer to the question. In his critique of Hawking, Paul Davies highlighted this very fact, saying, “You need to know where those laws come from. That’s where the mystery lies—the laws” (“The Creation Question…,” 2011). Quantum mechanics, with its governing laws, simply do not leave room for the spontaneous generation of Universes.

RESPONSES

But what if quantum theory could allow for spontaneous generation at the quantum level? What if the First Law of Thermodynamics does not apply at the unobservable molecular world of quantum mechanics but only to the macroscopic world that we can actually see? Even if that were the case (and there is no conclusive evidence to support the contention that there are any exceptionswhatsoever to the First Law of Thermodynamics—see Miller, 2010a), according to the Big Bang model, the quantum level cosmic egg eventually became macroscopic through expansion or inflation. Such an event would have been the equivalent of a breach of the First Law, even under such a speculative definition.

But isn’t it true that “one usually assumes that the current laws of physics did not apply” at the beginning (Linde, 1994)? Assumptions must be reasonable. What evidence could be used to back such a grandiose assumption? And again, who would have written the laws at the moment they became viable? And further, if the laws of physics broke down at the beginning, one cannot use quantum law to bring about matter, which is precisely what the quantum fluctuation theory attempts to do. [NOTE: See Miller, 2010b for more on this contention.]

CONCLUSION

Can quantum mechanics create Universes from nothing? No. Quantum particle generation requires pre-existing energy—a far cry from nothing. Could quantum mechanics spontaneously create Universes from pre-existing (i.e., created by God) energy? There is no scientific evidence to support such a proposition. So it is speculation and conjecture—wishful thinking on par with postulating that aliens brought life to Earth (which some irrationally believe). Tiny quantum particles fluctuating—bouncing around—is one thing. The creation of the entire Universe through a quantum fluctuation? That’s another.

One who wishes to avoid acknowledging the existence of God should be expected to do almost anything to deny it. Reason will be thrown aside, and acceptance of far-fetched theories—theories that are so speculative that they belong in the fiction section of the library along with the The Wizard of Oz—will be latched onto as fact. The Bible gives the rationale for this irrational behavior by explaining that such a person has “itching ears” (2 Timothy 4:3). Such a person will “heap up…teachers” who will tell him what he wants to hear, who sound smart, and therefore, will make him feel good about the blatantly irrational position that he holds (vs. 3). He will turn his “ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables” (vs. 4). Thus, “professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:22). The quantum fluctuation idea is simply another example of this same mentality, and the admonition to Christians is the same as it was in the first century: “But you be watchful in all things” (vs. 5). “Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge” (1 Timothy 6:20).
 
Ah,ganon ba o sege ako na lang magpopost copy paste lang ito.pero makakatulong sa mga nagbabasa pasensya na kasi english ito mas mainam para sa mga nakapag-aral:

Can Quantum Mechanics Produce a Universe from Nothing?

by Jeff Miller, Ph.D.

According to the First Law of Thermodynamics, nothing in the Universe (i.e., matter or energy) can pop into existence from nothing (see Miller, 2013). All of the scientific evidence points to that conclusion. So, the Universe could not have popped into existence before the alleged “big bang” (an event which we do not endorse). Therefore, God must have created the Universe.

One of the popular rebuttals by the atheistic community is that quantum mechanics could have created the Universe. In 1905, Albert Einstein proposed the idea of mass-energy equivalence, resulting in the famous equation, E = mc2 (1905). We now know that matter can be converted to energy, and vice versa. However, energy and mass are conserved, in keeping with the First Law. In the words of the famous evolutionary astronomer, Robert Jastrow, “[T]he principle of the conservation of matter and energy…states that matter and energy can be neither created nor destroyed. Matter can be converted into energy, and vice versa, but the total amount of all matter and energy in the Universe must remain unchanged forever” (1977, p. 32). The idea of matter-energy conversion led one physicist to postulate, in essence, that the cosmic egg that exploded billions of years ago in the alleged “big bang”—commencing the “creation” of the Universe—could have come into existence as an energy-to-matter conversion.

In 1973, physicist Edward Tryon of the Hunter College of the City University of New York published a paper in the British science journal Nature titled, “Is the Universe a Vacuum Fluctuation?” He proposed the idea that the Universe could be a large scale vacuum energy fluctuation. He said, “In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time” (246:397, emp. added). Does it really? Cosmologist and theoretical physicist Alexander Vilenkin, Director of the Institute of Cosmology at Tufts University, said:

Now, what Tryon was suggesting was that our entire universe, with its vast amount of matter, was a huge quantum fluctuation, which somehow failed to disappear for more than 10 billion years. Everybody thought that was a very funny joke. But Tryon was not joking. He was devastated by the reaction of his colleagues… (2006, p. 184).


Though he was originally scoffed at, Tryon’s theory has gained traction among many prominent evolutionary scientists. After all, if true, according to Vilenkin, “such a creation event would not require a cause” for the Universe (pp. 184-185).

SPECULATION VS. OBSERVATION

The fact is, the idea that such an event could happen is pure speculation and conjecture. No such phenomenon—the conversion from energy to matter of an entire Universe—has ever been remotely observed. It is a desperate attempt to hold to naturalistic presuppositions, in spite of the evidence, when a supernatural option that is in keeping with the evidence is staring us in the face. Evolutionary physicist Victor Stenger said,

[T]he universe is probably the result of a random quantum fluctuation in a spaceless, timeless void.... So what had to happen to start the universe was the formation of an empty bubble of highly curved space-time. How did this bubble form? What caused it? Not everything requires a cause. It could have just happened spontaneously as one of the many linear combinations of universes that has the quantum numbers of the void.... Much is still in the speculative stage, and I must admit that there are yetno empirical or observational tests that can be used to test the idea of an accidental origin (1987, 7[3]:26-30, italics in orig., emp. added.).


No evidence. No scientific observation. Just speculation.

Writing in the Skeptical Inquirer in 1994, Ralph Estling voiced strong disapproval of the idea that the Universe could create itself out of nothing. He wrote:

I do not think that what these cosmologists, these quantum theorists, these universe-makers, are doing is science. I can’t help feeling that universes are notoriously disinclined to spring into being, ready-made, out of nothing, even if Edward Tryon (ah, a name at last!) has written that “our universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time....” Perhaps, although we have the word of many famous scientists for it, our universe is not simply one of those things that happen from time to time (18[4]:430, parenthetical item in orig., emp. added).


Estling’s comments initiated a wave of controversy and letters to the Skeptical Inquirer, eliciting a response by Estling to his critics. Among other observations, he said, “All things begin with speculation, science not excluded. But if no empirical evidence is eventually forthcoming, or can be forthcoming, all speculation is barren.... There is no evidence, so far, that the entire universe, observable and unobservable, emerged from a state of absolute Nothingness” (1995, 19[1]:69-70, emp. added). Therefore, by naturalists’ own definition of science, such an idea is unscientific. There is no evidence that could prove such a thing. The creationist platform is in keeping with observational science and has positive evidence of a divine Being (e.g., the presence of intelligent design in nature, the existence of objective morality, the existence of a Universe which demands a cause, and the existence of a Book that contains supernatural characteristics). However, unlike the creationist platform, those who believe in Tryon’s theory are holding to a blind faith.

WHENCE CAME ENERGY?

Second, even if such a thing were possible—that energy could be converted to matter in the way that Tryon has suggested—one must ask, “Where did the energy come from?” Alan Guth, professor of physics at M.I.T., wrote in response to Tryon: “In this context, a proposal that the universe was created from empty space is no more fundamental than a proposal that the universe was spawned by a piece of rubber. It might be true, but one would still want to ask where the piece of rubber came from” (1997, p. 273, emp. added).

Energy could not have popped into existence without violating the First Law of Thermodynamics. So in reality, when scientists argue that quantum mechanics creates something from nothing, they do not really mean “nothing.” The problem of how everything got here is still present. The matter generated in quantum theory is from a vacuum that is not void. Philip Yam of Scientific American wrote, “Energy in the vacuum, though, is very much real. According to modern physics, a vacuum isn’t a pocket of nothingness. It churns with unseen activity even at absolute zero, the temperature defined as the point at which all molecular motion ceases” (1997, p. 82, emp. added). Prominent humanist mathematician and science writer, Martin Gardner, wrote: “It is fashionable now to conjecture that the big bang was caused by a random quantum fluctuation in a vacuum devoid of space and time. But of course such a vacuum is a far cry from nothing” (2000, p. 303, emp. added). Amanda Gefter, writing in New Scientist, said, “Quantum mechanics tells us that the vacuum of space is not empty; instead, it *****les with energy” (2010, p. 29, emp. added). Physicist Richard Morris wrote:

In modern physics, there is no such thing as “nothing.” Even in a perfect vacuum, pairs of virtual particles are constantly being created [i.e., by briefly “borrowing” energy already in existence—JM] and destroyed. The existence of these particles is no mathematical fiction. Though they cannot be directly observed, the effects they create are quite real. The assumption that they exist leads to predictions that have been confirmed by experiment to a high degree of accuracy (Morris, 1990, p. 25, emp. added).


Astrophysicist Rocky Kolb, chairman of the Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago, wrote: “[A] region of seemingly empty space is not really empty, but is a seething froth in which every sort of fundamental particle pops in and out of empty space before annihilating with its antiparticle and disappearing” (1998, 26[2]:43, emp. added). Estling continued his extensive observations in response to his critics (mentioned above), saying:

Quantum cosmologists insist both on this absolute Nothingness and on endowing it with various qualities and characteristics: this particular Nothingness possesses virtual quanta seething in a false vacuum. Quanta, virtual or actual, false or true, are not Nothing, they are definitely Something, although we may argue over what exactly. For one thing, quanta are entities having energy, a vacuum has energy and moreover, extension, i.e., it is something into which other things, such as universes, can be put, i.e., we cannot have our absolute Nothingness and eat it too. If we have quanta and a vacuum as given, we in fact have a pre-existent state of existence that either pre-existed timelessly or brought itself into existence from absolute Nothingness (no quanta, no vacuum, no pre-existing initial conditions) at some precise moment in time; it creates this time, along with the space, matter, and energy, which we call the universe.... I’ve had correspondence with Paul Davies [eminent atheistic theoretical physicist, cosmologist, and astrobiologist of Arizona State University, who advocates the supposition that the Universe created itself from nothing—JM] on cosmological theory, in the course of which, I asked him what he meant by “Nothing.” He wrote back that he had asked Alexander Vilenkin what he meant by it and that Vilenkin had replied, “By Nothing I mean Nothing,” which seemed pretty straightforward at the time, but these quantum cosmologists go on from there to tell us what their particular breed of Nothing consists of. I pointed this out to Davies, who replied that these things are very complicated. I’m willing to admit the truth of that statement, but I think it does not solve the problem (1995, 19[1]:69-70, emp. added).


No wonder Jonathan Sarfati said:

Some physicists assert that quantum mechanics…can produce something from nothing…. But this is a gross misapplication of quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics never produces something out of nothing…. Theories that the Universe is a quantum fluctuation must presuppose that there was something to fluctuate—their “quantum vacuum” is a lot of matter-antimatter potential—not “nothing” (1998, 12[1]:21, emp. added).


Vilenkin, while explaining the problems inherent in Tryon’s work, said:

A more fundamental problem is that Tryon’s scenario does not really explain the origin of the universe. A quantum fluctuation of the vacuum assumes that there was a vacuum of some pre-existing space. And we now know that “vacuum” is very different from “nothing.” Vacuum, or empty space, has energy and tension, it can bend and warp, so it is unquestionably something (2006, p. 185, ital. in orig., emp. added).


He went on to propose that quantum tunneling could be the answer to the creation of the Universe out of nothing. However, quantum tunneling starts with something and ends with something as well. Particles that can jump or tunnel through barriers still must initially exist to do so. Bottom line: according to renowned atheist, theoretical physicist, and cosmologist of Cambridge University, Stephen Hawking, in order to create a Universe, “you need just three ingredients”: matter, energy, and space (“Curiosity…,” 2011). These three ingredients must exist in order to create a Universe, according to Hawking. So, the problem remains. Where did the ingredients for the Universe soup come from? There must be an ultimate Cause of the Universe.

NON-EXISTENT QUANTUM LAW-MAKER?

Third, even if one were to irrationally accept the premise that quantum theory allows for the possibility that Universes could pop into existence, in the words of astrophysicist Marcus Chown:

If the universe owes its origins to quantum theory, then quantum theory must have existed before the universe. So the next question is surely: where did the laws of quantum theory come from? “We do not know,” admits Vilenkin. “I consider that an entirely different question.” When it comes to the beginning of the universe, in many ways we’re still at the beginning (2012, p. 35, emp. added).


Martin Gardner said,

Imagine that physicists finally discover all the basic waves and their particles, and all the basic laws, and unite everything in one equation. We can then ask, “Why that equation?” It is fashionable now to conjecture that the big bang was caused by a random quantum fluctuation in a vacuum devoid of space and time. But of course such a vacuum is a far cry from nothing. There had to be quantum laws to fluctuate. And why are there quantum laws?... There is no escape from the superultimate questions: Why is there something rather than nothing, and why is the something structured the way it is? (2000, p. 303, emp. added).


In “Curiosity: Did God Create the Universe?” Stephen Hawking boldly claimed that everything in the Universe can be accounted for through atheistic evolution without the need of God. This is untrue, as we have discussed elsewhere (e.g., Miller, 2011), but it seems that Hawking does not even believe that assertion himself. He asked the question, “Did God create the quantum laws that allowed the Big Bang to occur? In a nutshell, did we need a god to set it all up so that the Big Bang could bang?” (“Curiosity…,” emp. added). He then proceeded to offer no answer to the question. In his critique of Hawking, Paul Davies highlighted this very fact, saying, “You need to know where those laws come from. That’s where the mystery lies—the laws” (“The Creation Question…,” 2011). Quantum mechanics, with its governing laws, simply do not leave room for the spontaneous generation of Universes.

RESPONSES

But what if quantum theory could allow for spontaneous generation at the quantum level? What if the First Law of Thermodynamics does not apply at the unobservable molecular world of quantum mechanics but only to the macroscopic world that we can actually see? Even if that were the case (and there is no conclusive evidence to support the contention that there are any exceptionswhatsoever to the First Law of Thermodynamics—see Miller, 2010a), according to the Big Bang model, the quantum level cosmic egg eventually became macroscopic through expansion or inflation. Such an event would have been the equivalent of a breach of the First Law, even under such a speculative definition.

But isn’t it true that “one usually assumes that the current laws of physics did not apply” at the beginning (Linde, 1994)? Assumptions must be reasonable. What evidence could be used to back such a grandiose assumption? And again, who would have written the laws at the moment they became viable? And further, if the laws of physics broke down at the beginning, one cannot use quantum law to bring about matter, which is precisely what the quantum fluctuation theory attempts to do. [NOTE: See Miller, 2010b for more on this contention.]

CONCLUSION

Can quantum mechanics create Universes from nothing? No. Quantum particle generation requires pre-existing energy—a far cry from nothing. Could quantum mechanics spontaneously create Universes from pre-existing (i.e., created by God) energy? There is no scientific evidence to support such a proposition. So it is speculation and conjecture—wishful thinking on par with postulating that aliens brought life to Earth (which some irrationally believe). Tiny quantum particles fluctuating—bouncing around—is one thing. The creation of the entire Universe through a quantum fluctuation? That’s another.

One who wishes to avoid acknowledging the existence of God should be expected to do almost anything to deny it. Reason will be thrown aside, and acceptance of far-fetched theories—theories that are so speculative that they belong in the fiction section of the library along with the The Wizard of Oz—will be latched onto as fact. The Bible gives the rationale for this irrational behavior by explaining that such a person has “itching ears” (2 Timothy 4:3). Such a person will “heap up…teachers” who will tell him what he wants to hear, who sound smart, and therefore, will make him feel good about the blatantly irrational position that he holds (vs. 3). He will turn his “ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables” (vs. 4). Thus, “professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:22). The quantum fluctuation idea is simply another example of this same mentality, and the admonition to Christians is the same as it was in the first century: “But you be watchful in all things” (vs. 5). “Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge” (1 Timothy 6:20).
Haba naman tol hahahahaha:). W8 ko sagot nila hehehe.
 
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Haba naman tol hahahahaha:). W8 ko sagot nila hehehe.

Did YOU scan thousands of other scientific or scientific philosophical articles that say otherwise than what was quoted above? I mean, you can not win the argumentation here by just depending on that one biased article. FYI, the article as i read committed the god of the gaps fallacy.
 
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Ah,ganon ba o sege ako na lang magpopost copy paste lang ito.pero makakatulong sa mga nagbabasa pasensya na kasi english ito mas mainam para sa mga nakapag-aral:

Can Quantum Mechanics Produce a Universe from Nothing?

by Jeff Miller, Ph.D.

According to the First Law of Thermodynamics, nothing in the Universe (i.e., matter or energy) can pop into existence from nothing (see Miller, 2013). All of the scientific evidence points to that conclusion. So, the Universe could not have popped into existence before the alleged “big bang” (an event which we do not endorse). Therefore, God must have created the Universe.

One of the popular rebuttals by the atheistic community is that quantum mechanics could have created the Universe. In 1905, Albert Einstein proposed the idea of mass-energy equivalence, resulting in the famous equation, E = mc2 (1905). We now know that matter can be converted to energy, and vice versa. However, energy and mass are conserved, in keeping with the First Law. In the words of the famous evolutionary astronomer, Robert Jastrow, “[T]he principle of the conservation of matter and energy…states that matter and energy can be neither created nor destroyed. Matter can be converted into energy, and vice versa, but the total amount of all matter and energy in the Universe must remain unchanged forever” (1977, p. 32). The idea of matter-energy conversion led one physicist to postulate, in essence, that the cosmic egg that exploded billions of years ago in the alleged “big bang”—commencing the “creation” of the Universe—could have come into existence as an energy-to-matter conversion.

In 1973, physicist Edward Tryon of the Hunter College of the City University of New York published a paper in the British science journal Nature titled, “Is the Universe a Vacuum Fluctuation?” He proposed the idea that the Universe could be a large scale vacuum energy fluctuation. He said, “In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time” (246:397, emp. added). Does it really? Cosmologist and theoretical physicist Alexander Vilenkin, Director of the Institute of Cosmology at Tufts University, said:

Now, what Tryon was suggesting was that our entire universe, with its vast amount of matter, was a huge quantum fluctuation, which somehow failed to disappear for more than 10 billion years. Everybody thought that was a very funny joke. But Tryon was not joking. He was devastated by the reaction of his colleagues… (2006, p. 184).


Though he was originally scoffed at, Tryon’s theory has gained traction among many prominent evolutionary scientists. After all, if true, according to Vilenkin, “such a creation event would not require a cause” for the Universe (pp. 184-185).

SPECULATION VS. OBSERVATION

The fact is, the idea that such an event could happen is pure speculation and conjecture. No such phenomenon—the conversion from energy to matter of an entire Universe—has ever been remotely observed. It is a desperate attempt to hold to naturalistic presuppositions, in spite of the evidence, when a supernatural option that is in keeping with the evidence is staring us in the face. Evolutionary physicist Victor Stenger said,

[T]he universe is probably the result of a random quantum fluctuation in a spaceless, timeless void.... So what had to happen to start the universe was the formation of an empty bubble of highly curved space-time. How did this bubble form? What caused it? Not everything requires a cause. It could have just happened spontaneously as one of the many linear combinations of universes that has the quantum numbers of the void.... Much is still in the speculative stage, and I must admit that there are yetno empirical or observational tests that can be used to test the idea of an accidental origin (1987, 7[3]:26-30, italics in orig., emp. added.).


No evidence. No scientific observation. Just speculation.

Writing in the Skeptical Inquirer in 1994, Ralph Estling voiced strong disapproval of the idea that the Universe could create itself out of nothing. He wrote:

I do not think that what these cosmologists, these quantum theorists, these universe-makers, are doing is science. I can’t help feeling that universes are notoriously disinclined to spring into being, ready-made, out of nothing, even if Edward Tryon (ah, a name at last!) has written that “our universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time....” Perhaps, although we have the word of many famous scientists for it, our universe is not simply one of those things that happen from time to time (18[4]:430, parenthetical item in orig., emp. added).


Estling’s comments initiated a wave of controversy and letters to the Skeptical Inquirer, eliciting a response by Estling to his critics. Among other observations, he said, “All things begin with speculation, science not excluded. But if no empirical evidence is eventually forthcoming, or can be forthcoming, all speculation is barren.... There is no evidence, so far, that the entire universe, observable and unobservable, emerged from a state of absolute Nothingness” (1995, 19[1]:69-70, emp. added). Therefore, by naturalists’ own definition of science, such an idea is unscientific. There is no evidence that could prove such a thing. The creationist platform is in keeping with observational science and has positive evidence of a divine Being (e.g., the presence of intelligent design in nature, the existence of objective morality, the existence of a Universe which demands a cause, and the existence of a Book that contains supernatural characteristics). However, unlike the creationist platform, those who believe in Tryon’s theory are holding to a blind faith.

WHENCE CAME ENERGY?

Second, even if such a thing were possible—that energy could be converted to matter in the way that Tryon has suggested—one must ask, “Where did the energy come from?” Alan Guth, professor of physics at M.I.T., wrote in response to Tryon: “In this context, a proposal that the universe was created from empty space is no more fundamental than a proposal that the universe was spawned by a piece of rubber. It might be true, but one would still want to ask where the piece of rubber came from” (1997, p. 273, emp. added).

Energy could not have popped into existence without violating the First Law of Thermodynamics. So in reality, when scientists argue that quantum mechanics creates something from nothing, they do not really mean “nothing.” The problem of how everything got here is still present. The matter generated in quantum theory is from a vacuum that is not void. Philip Yam of Scientific American wrote, “Energy in the vacuum, though, is very much real. According to modern physics, a vacuum isn’t a pocket of nothingness. It churns with unseen activity even at absolute zero, the temperature defined as the point at which all molecular motion ceases” (1997, p. 82, emp. added). Prominent humanist mathematician and science writer, Martin Gardner, wrote: “It is fashionable now to conjecture that the big bang was caused by a random quantum fluctuation in a vacuum devoid of space and time. But of course such a vacuum is a far cry from nothing” (2000, p. 303, emp. added). Amanda Gefter, writing in New Scientist, said, “Quantum mechanics tells us that the vacuum of space is not empty; instead, it *****les with energy” (2010, p. 29, emp. added). Physicist Richard Morris wrote:

In modern physics, there is no such thing as “nothing.” Even in a perfect vacuum, pairs of virtual particles are constantly being created [i.e., by briefly “borrowing” energy already in existence—JM] and destroyed. The existence of these particles is no mathematical fiction. Though they cannot be directly observed, the effects they create are quite real. The assumption that they exist leads to predictions that have been confirmed by experiment to a high degree of accuracy (Morris, 1990, p. 25, emp. added).


Astrophysicist Rocky Kolb, chairman of the Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago, wrote: “[A] region of seemingly empty space is not really empty, but is a seething froth in which every sort of fundamental particle pops in and out of empty space before annihilating with its antiparticle and disappearing” (1998, 26[2]:43, emp. added). Estling continued his extensive observations in response to his critics (mentioned above), saying:

Quantum cosmologists insist both on this absolute Nothingness and on endowing it with various qualities and characteristics: this particular Nothingness possesses virtual quanta seething in a false vacuum. Quanta, virtual or actual, false or true, are not Nothing, they are definitely Something, although we may argue over what exactly. For one thing, quanta are entities having energy, a vacuum has energy and moreover, extension, i.e., it is something into which other things, such as universes, can be put, i.e., we cannot have our absolute Nothingness and eat it too. If we have quanta and a vacuum as given, we in fact have a pre-existent state of existence that either pre-existed timelessly or brought itself into existence from absolute Nothingness (no quanta, no vacuum, no pre-existing initial conditions) at some precise moment in time; it creates this time, along with the space, matter, and energy, which we call the universe.... I’ve had correspondence with Paul Davies [eminent atheistic theoretical physicist, cosmologist, and astrobiologist of Arizona State University, who advocates the supposition that the Universe created itself from nothing—JM] on cosmological theory, in the course of which, I asked him what he meant by “Nothing.” He wrote back that he had asked Alexander Vilenkin what he meant by it and that Vilenkin had replied, “By Nothing I mean Nothing,” which seemed pretty straightforward at the time, but these quantum cosmologists go on from there to tell us what their particular breed of Nothing consists of. I pointed this out to Davies, who replied that these things are very complicated. I’m willing to admit the truth of that statement, but I think it does not solve the problem (1995, 19[1]:69-70, emp. added).


No wonder Jonathan Sarfati said:

Some physicists assert that quantum mechanics…can produce something from nothing…. But this is a gross misapplication of quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics never produces something out of nothing…. Theories that the Universe is a quantum fluctuation must presuppose that there was something to fluctuate—their “quantum vacuum” is a lot of matter-antimatter potential—not “nothing” (1998, 12[1]:21, emp. added).


Vilenkin, while explaining the problems inherent in Tryon’s work, said:

A more fundamental problem is that Tryon’s scenario does not really explain the origin of the universe. A quantum fluctuation of the vacuum assumes that there was a vacuum of some pre-existing space. And we now know that “vacuum” is very different from “nothing.” Vacuum, or empty space, has energy and tension, it can bend and warp, so it is unquestionably something (2006, p. 185, ital. in orig., emp. added).


He went on to propose that quantum tunneling could be the answer to the creation of the Universe out of nothing. However, quantum tunneling starts with something and ends with something as well. Particles that can jump or tunnel through barriers still must initially exist to do so. Bottom line: according to renowned atheist, theoretical physicist, and cosmologist of Cambridge University, Stephen Hawking, in order to create a Universe, “you need just three ingredients”: matter, energy, and space (“Curiosity…,” 2011). These three ingredients must exist in order to create a Universe, according to Hawking. So, the problem remains. Where did the ingredients for the Universe soup come from? There must be an ultimate Cause of the Universe.

NON-EXISTENT QUANTUM LAW-MAKER?

Third, even if one were to irrationally accept the premise that quantum theory allows for the possibility that Universes could pop into existence, in the words of astrophysicist Marcus Chown:

If the universe owes its origins to quantum theory, then quantum theory must have existed before the universe. So the next question is surely: where did the laws of quantum theory come from? “We do not know,” admits Vilenkin. “I consider that an entirely different question.” When it comes to the beginning of the universe, in many ways we’re still at the beginning (2012, p. 35, emp. added).


Martin Gardner said,

Imagine that physicists finally discover all the basic waves and their particles, and all the basic laws, and unite everything in one equation. We can then ask, “Why that equation?” It is fashionable now to conjecture that the big bang was caused by a random quantum fluctuation in a vacuum devoid of space and time. But of course such a vacuum is a far cry from nothing. There had to be quantum laws to fluctuate. And why are there quantum laws?... There is no escape from the superultimate questions: Why is there something rather than nothing, and why is the something structured the way it is? (2000, p. 303, emp. added).


In “Curiosity: Did God Create the Universe?” Stephen Hawking boldly claimed that everything in the Universe can be accounted for through atheistic evolution without the need of God. This is untrue, as we have discussed elsewhere (e.g., Miller, 2011), but it seems that Hawking does not even believe that assertion himself. He asked the question, “Did God create the quantum laws that allowed the Big Bang to occur? In a nutshell, did we need a god to set it all up so that the Big Bang could bang?” (“Curiosity…,” emp. added). He then proceeded to offer no answer to the question. In his critique of Hawking, Paul Davies highlighted this very fact, saying, “You need to know where those laws come from. That’s where the mystery lies—the laws” (“The Creation Question…,” 2011). Quantum mechanics, with its governing laws, simply do not leave room for the spontaneous generation of Universes.

RESPONSES

But what if quantum theory could allow for spontaneous generation at the quantum level? What if the First Law of Thermodynamics does not apply at the unobservable molecular world of quantum mechanics but only to the macroscopic world that we can actually see? Even if that were the case (and there is no conclusive evidence to support the contention that there are any exceptionswhatsoever to the First Law of Thermodynamics—see Miller, 2010a), according to the Big Bang model, the quantum level cosmic egg eventually became macroscopic through expansion or inflation. Such an event would have been the equivalent of a breach of the First Law, even under such a speculative definition.

But isn’t it true that “one usually assumes that the current laws of physics did not apply” at the beginning (Linde, 1994)? Assumptions must be reasonable. What evidence could be used to back such a grandiose assumption? And again, who would have written the laws at the moment they became viable? And further, if the laws of physics broke down at the beginning, one cannot use quantum law to bring about matter, which is precisely what the quantum fluctuation theory attempts to do. [NOTE: See Miller, 2010b for more on this contention.]

CONCLUSION

Can quantum mechanics create Universes from nothing? No. Quantum particle generation requires pre-existing energy—a far cry from nothing. Could quantum mechanics spontaneously create Universes from pre-existing (i.e., created by God) energy? There is no scientific evidence to support such a proposition. So it is speculation and conjecture—wishful thinking on par with postulating that aliens brought life to Earth (which some irrationally believe). Tiny quantum particles fluctuating—bouncing around—is one thing. The creation of the entire Universe through a quantum fluctuation? That’s another.

One who wishes to avoid acknowledging the existence of God should be expected to do almost anything to deny it. Reason will be thrown aside, and acceptance of far-fetched theories—theories that are so speculative that they belong in the fiction section of the library along with the The Wizard of Oz—will be latched onto as fact. The Bible gives the rationale for this irrational behavior by explaining that such a person has “itching ears” (2 Timothy 4:3). Such a person will “heap up…teachers” who will tell him what he wants to hear, who sound smart, and therefore, will make him feel good about the blatantly irrational position that he holds (vs. 3). He will turn his “ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables” (vs. 4). Thus, “professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:22). The quantum fluctuation idea is simply another example of this same mentality, and the admonition to Christians is the same as it was in the first century: “But you be watchful in all things” (vs. 5). “Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge” (1 Timothy 6:20).
Ahahahaha hindi ko na binasa lahat paulit nalang that nothing into something was not been proven

Hahaha well men i did question everything and believe in nothing do you think im stupid to just believe that nothing comes into something

How can someone quoted me with that nonsense? i don't even care nor think about nothing comes into something

Since big bang and evolution has been proven i think that's enough for me to conclude that there's no God bakit ? Dahil ang genesis ay ebidinsya ng ka walang alam ng nasusulat nito kung ang Bible ay salita ng being na gumawa ng big bang sana hindi ganyan ang Bible nyo

Alam mo hindi ako umabot sa ganyan oo nabasa ko ang theorya ni Hawkins pero hindi ko yun pinaniwalaan kasi walang evidence

Oo wala pang evidence kung saan galing ang big bang alam ko yun at matagal ko nang tinatanong yan at mga scientists na bahala jan sa mystery nayan tapos

Doon sa nabasa ko sa #copypaste mo sa naintindihan ko ganto "not been proven therefore god did it "

Men kung ginagamit nyo lang ang salitang God dahil sa itoy misteryo pa at hindi pa proven just so you know ancient Greek thought that lightning is came from their God Zeus 'cause at that time it was a mystery for them
Then later on comes the explanation what really lightning is
Same fate will be done of that so called mystery of the universe

Oo wala pang evidence ang science dyan eyy how about facts na talagang gawa ang universe ng psychopath God nyo meron naba ignorant talaga tong taong to oh oh

Umabot ka sa point na lalong nag contradict sa God na sinasabi ng Bible nyo
Ako bat ko paabotin sa ganyan eyy simple logic at big bang theory with evolution theory lang taob yang Bible nyo

Next time wag kanang mag copy paste dahil basta2 nalang kinokuha mo lalo ka tuloy nag mistolang walang alam bakit wala kabang sariling pang unawa at kailangan mopa ng mahaba na copy paste boring basahin at iisa lang ang gustong ipahiwatig
 
Did YOU scan thousands of other scientific or scientific philosophical articles that say otherwise than what was quoted above? I mean, you can not win the argumentation here by just depending on that one biased article. FYI, the article as i read committed the god of the gaps fallacy.
The none believer of God, use the word "contradiction" against the bible whereas the science that you believe has its own contradictions. While the bible and laws of science are in complete harmony.
 
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Ahahahaha hindi ko na binasa lahat paulit nalang that nothing into something was not been proven

Hahaha well men i did question everything and believe in nothing do you think im stupid to just believe that nothing comes into something

How can someone quoted me with that nonsense? i don't even care nor think about nothing comes into something

Since big bang and evolution has been proven i think that's enough for me to conclude that there's no God bakit ? Dahil ang genesis ay ebidinsya ng ka walang alam ng nasusulat nito kung ang Bible ay salita ng being na gumawa ng big bang sana hindi ganyan ang Bible nyo

Alam mo hindi ako umabot sa ganyan oo nabasa ko ang theorya ni Hawkins pero hindi ko yun pinaniwalaan kasi walang evidence

Oo wala pang evidence kung saan galing ang big bang alam ko yun at matagal ko nang tinatanong yan at mga scientists na bahala jan sa mystery nayan tapos

Doon sa nabasa ko sa #copypaste mo sa naintindihan ko ganto "not been proven therefore god did it "

Men kung ginagamit nyo lang ang salitang God dahil sa itoy misteryo pa at hindi pa proven just so you know ancient Greek thought that lightning is came from their God Zeus 'cause at that time it was a mystery for them
Then later on comes the explanation what really lightning is
Same fate will be done of that so called mystery of the universe

Oo wala pang evidence ang science dyan eyy how about facts na talagang gawa ang universe ng psychopath God nyo meron naba ignorant talaga tong taong to oh oh

Umabot ka sa point na lalong nag contradict sa God na sinasabi ng Bible nyo
Ako bat ko paabotin sa ganyan eyy simple logic at big bang theory with evolution theory lang taob yang Bible nyo

Next time wag kanang mag copy paste dahil basta2 nalang kinokuha mo lalo ka tuloy nag mistolang walang alam bakit wala kabang sariling pang unawa at kailangan mopa ng mahaba na copy paste boring basahin at iisa lang ang gustong ipahiwatig
Hi, "MR KAPAG WLANG proof ay PHILOSOPHY tawag sa science", d na sumagot sa conversation namin naghahahnap pa ba ng sagot? Wag mong itulad ang Dios sa greek mythology. Even the bible talks about zeus as false god. It's a good thing na umamin ka na walang evidence. Theory is still a theory, gathering of other facts and experimenting it forever.
 
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The none believer of God, use the word "contradiction" against the bible whereas the science that you believe has its own contradictions. While the bible and laws of science are in complete harmony.

Magandang araw po..


Scientific theories or truths compete, complement, supplement or supersede each other. It is natural that ideas in sciences sometimes contradict. However, it does not mean that science contradicts itself. If you want to contradict a scientific finding, you also need science to say otherwise. We have rules in science. If you want to debunk a theory that is being establish, it is a rule that you use scientific truths to debunk a theory you do not believe. Do not try to intersect religious language into the realm of scientific inquiry because you can not slice the bread(scientific facts or theories) by using your thumb(religious language). Meanwhile, i am not a sciece worshiper or a scientist. We just need to use our intelligence and sometimes ask the questions...where did i go wrong? Does science really refute God? Is science the arbiter of morality? Does the bible.answer all questions in life?..we need to be open..

Reality is changing, human perception as time goes by also changes but it does not mean also that his intellect or reason is degenerating. Knowledge and technology are being refined as time goes by. If reality can allow human to survive or exist to infinity and if perfection of things requires infinity, then previous knowledge, practice and products are being refined better and better and better to infinity. The point here is that scientific knowledge is adaptive and practical in its own time. A baby as it grows chooses his toys or preferences in life. In his different stages of life, even if we scan that minute by minute or day by day, there is no permament immobility of that baby-now-grown-ãdül†. He is changing, growing with knowledge of his surrounding. He is adapting to his environment. It does not mean his past life "is not true". Now US, as a collective humanity, we keep adapting to our surrounding, we utilize science,religion and philosophy as powerful tools. Some truths in these three main bodies of intellectual inquiry are not permanent or absolute and need to be discard, supersede or refined. It does not mean though that past truths or ideas were meaningless...it only means that they have met their function in the ultimate scheme of things.
 
Magandang araw po..


It is natural that ideas in sciences sometimes contradict. However, it does not mean that science contradicts itself. If you want to contradict a scientific finding, you also need science to say otherwise. We have rules in science. If you want to debunk a theory that is being establish, it is a rule that you use scientific truths to debunk a theory you do not believe.

Do not try to intersect religious language into the realm of scientific inquiry because you can not slice the bread(scientific facts or theories) by using your thumb(religious language). Meanwhile, i am not a sciece worshiper or a scientist. We just need to use our intelligence and sometimes ask the questions...where did i go wrong? Does science really refute God? Is science the arbiter of morality? Does the bible.answer all questions in life?..we need to be open..

Now US, as a collective humanity, we keep adapting to our surrounding, we utilize science,religion and philosophy as powerful tools. Some truths in these three main bodies of intellectual inquiry are not permanent or absolute and need to be discard, supersede or refined. It does not mean though that past truths or ideas were meaningless...it only means that they have met their function in the ultimate scheme of things.

Crystal clear that science as what you have said contradicts sometimes. It's a norm as part of experimenting things. Which means we cannot accept theories as fact until it becomes a law.

I believe science does not and will never contradict the bible if all of the scientist will do their experiment, finding the fact in good-faith.

I agree that science, technology and religious belief needs to be refined. There are a lot of religious teachings that are meant to fear people (like hell), some are just after for money and others are after for power same goes with science and technology.

If we do all things in good faith, I think that would be the best way. Whether you believe only in science or bible respectively.
 
Crystal clear that science as what you have said contradicts sometimes. It's a norm as part of experimenting things. Which means we cannot accept theories as fact until it becomes a law.

I believe science does not and will never contradict the bible if all of the scientist will do their experiment, finding the fact in good-faith.

I agree that science, technology and religious belief needs to be refined. There are a lot of religious teachings that are meant to fear people (like hell), some are just after for money and others are after for power same goes with science and technology.

If we do all things in good faith, I think that would be the best way. Whether you believe only in science or bible respectively.

You have a misunderstanding to what I am saying. I said there are competing truths or theories in science. Does it follow that science then contradicts itself? These coontradictions or competing ideas do not mean science itself is contradicted or science is false. To contradict a scientific theory, you need an another competing scientific theory. It is analogous to your-SELF. There are contradicting ideas in your mind/self. Does it mean you are contradicting the totality of your ideas or your self? Does it mean when contradictions exist in your mind, you are false or that your-SELF can not exist because of contradictions? You need your self to contradict or refine an idea in you, but you need yourself to do that. My point here is that, you are addressing science in the wrong way. You misunderstood of what is the function of science. You can not slice science by using your thumb(religious language). You need to undermine or contradict theories in science by also being scientific in approach.
 
Hi, "MR KAPAG WLANG proof ay PHILOSOPHY tawag sa science", d na sumagot sa conversation namin naghahahnap pa ba ng sagot? Wag mong itulad ang Dios sa greek mythology. Even the bible talks about zeus as false god. It's a good thing na umamin ka na walang evidence. Theory is still a theory, gathering of other facts and experimenting it forever.
Sorry kung hindi naka reply may mga alagang hayop kasi ako na pinagkikitaan ko at pinangbubuhay ko sa sarili ko

Normal lang na sabihin ng Bible nyo na false god si Zeus tulad din ng mga muslim sasbihim din nilang false ang dios nyo same with hindu and others hahaha where's your logic bruuuh

Hindi ka talaga nakakaintindi ano magiging scientific theory lang ang isang bagay kung itoy paulit ulit na napatunayan at pumasa sa mga test
Dahil hindi pweding mabalik ang pinagmulan para obserbahan ang pangyayari kaya may scientific theory

Oo at least ang science ay aminado na sa ngayon wala pa silang proof kuha mo " sangayon" whereas ang Bible ay bagamat sandamak mak ang kawalang hiyaan still nag coconclude padin na alam ang lahat

Minsan mag isip ka naman ng logic ilang tao na binangga mo hindi ka padin nadala kahit literally dinodurog ka nila at sa mga reply mo halatang mahina kang umunawa
 
Sorry kung hindi naka reply may mga alagang hayop kasi ako na pinagkikitaan ko at pinangbubuhay ko sa sarili ko

Normal lang na sabihin ng Bible nyo na false god si Zeus tulad din ng mga muslim sasbihim din nilang false ang dios nyo same with hindu and others hahaha where's your logic bruuuh

Hindi ka talaga nakakaintindi ano magiging scientific theory lang ang isang bagay kung itoy paulit ulit na napatunayan at pumasa sa mga test
Dahil hindi pweding mabalik ang pinagmulan para obserbahan ang pangyayari kaya may scientific theory

Oo at least ang science ay aminado na sa ngayon wala pa silang proof kuha mo " sangayon" whereas ang Bible ay bagamat sandamak mak ang kawalang hiyaan still nag coconclude padin na alam ang lahat

Minsan mag isip ka naman ng logic ilang tao na binangga mo hindi ka padin nadala kahit literally dinodurog ka nila at sa mga reply mo halatang mahina kang umunawa
Hahhah:), you are entitled with your own opinion. Well, you admitted it, you are believing sa hindi sigurado, "NO PROOF".
 
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You have a misunderstanding to what I am saying. I said there are competing truths or theories in science. Does it follow that science then contradicts itself? These coontradictions or competing ideas do not mean science itself is contradicted or science is false. To contradict a scientific theory, you need an another competing scientific theory. It is analogous to your-SELF. There are contradicting ideas in your mind/self. Does it mean you are contradicting the totality of your ideas or your self? Does it mean when contradictions exist in your mind, you are false or that your-SELF can not exist because of contradictions? You need your self to contradict or refine an idea in you, but you need yourself to do that. My point here is that, you are addressing science in the wrong way. You misunderstood of what is the function of science. You can not slice science by using your thumb(religious language). You need to undermine or contradict theories in science by also being scientific in approach.

It's understood tol. It seems you are the one that did not get what I am trying to imply. Ok, let's say bigbang, there are many theories about the beginning of the universe before most of the scientist entertain bigbang theory base on the facts they gathered from the previous theories. However, until now it remains a theory. Personally, I believe that science will finally uncover the truth, if they will do it right, without those wicked personal interest.

Slicing science using a thumb (religious)? Bro, I am not a religious incline person. Like you, I am seeking the truth. I believe in Bible and all its teachings but not the teaching of religions. I don't believe in hell nor immortality of the soul. I hate religious leaders who make money out of their poor followers. Religions are just business. My point is, if you see a very beautiful house, what will you ask? Normally, we ask, who is the architect? Same with the universe, it is so beautiful to be accidentally created. There must be a creator. If you don't agree, I respect that.
 
It's understood tol. It seems you are the one that did not get what I am trying to imply. Ok, let's say bigbang, there are many theories about the beginning of the universe before most of the scientist entertain bigbang theory base on the facts they gathered from the previous theories. However, until now it remains a theory. Personally, I believe that science will finally uncover the truth, if they will do it right, without those wicked personal interest.

Slicing science using a thumb (religious)? Bro, I am not a religious incline person. Like you, I am seeking the truth. I believe in Bible and all its teachings but not the teaching of religions. I don't believe in hell nor immortality of the soul. I hate religious leaders who make money out of their poor followers. Religions are just business. My point is, if you see a very beautiful house, what will you ask? Normally, we ask, who is the architect? Same with the universe, it is so beautiful to be accidentally created. There must be a creator. If you don't agree, I respect that.

You definitely misunderstood me and wrongly addressing the role of science. Contradictions or competing theories in science exist but it does not mean science is false or unreliable. I said of contradictions in science, not that science contradicts itself. When there are contradictions in science, it does not mean it is false. Take the game of chess. There are openings that are refutable as far as contemporary knowledge of chess is utilized. This is.only one instance. In the sicilian defence, there are hundreds of variations and refutations. It only shows the flexibility of science in our understanding. Competing theories can be falsified or refined. Opposition of ideas or truths are necessary into establishing of what most define reality. You need the method of science itself if you want to confirm/affirm or deny/debunk an another scientific theory.

Biblical narratives need science for its confirmation. Science does not need religious scriptures to affirm its own truths. Science is rather becoming more established.when contrary scientific views germinate. It is the strength of science where refined theories arise from competent oppositions.

Meanwhile, about the big bang, i tackled this subject somewhere else in this forum. My question is
"Can you offer me an alternate and equally competing theory?".

What language or means of investigation will you use to undermine the big bang theory?
Sabi nga ni MjLove paulit ulit na lang at hindi mo get ang.meaning ng theory.
 
Ahahahaha hindi ko na binasa lahat paulit nalang that nothing into something was not been proven

Hahaha well men i did question everything and believe in nothing do you think im stupid to just believe that nothing comes into something

How can someone quoted me with that nonsense? i don't even care nor think about nothing comes into something

Since big bang and evolution has been proven i think that's enough for me to conclude that there's no God bakit ? Dahil ang genesis ay ebidinsya ng ka walang alam ng nasusulat nito kung ang Bible ay salita ng being na gumawa ng big bang sana hindi ganyan ang Bible nyo

Alam mo hindi ako umabot sa ganyan oo nabasa ko ang theorya ni Hawkins pero hindi ko yun pinaniwalaan kasi walang evidence

Oo wala pang evidence kung saan galing ang big bang alam ko yun at matagal ko nang tinatanong yan at mga scientists na bahala jan sa mystery nayan tapos

Doon sa nabasa ko sa #copypaste mo sa naintindihan ko ganto "not been proven therefore god did it "

Men kung ginagamit nyo lang ang salitang God dahil sa itoy misteryo pa at hindi pa proven just so you know ancient Greek thought that lightning is came from their God Zeus 'cause at that time it was a mystery for them
Then later on comes the explanation what really lightning is
Same fate will be done of that so called mystery of the universe

Oo wala pang evidence ang science dyan eyy how about facts na talagang gawa ang universe ng psychopath God nyo meron naba ignorant talaga tong taong to oh oh

Umabot ka sa point na lalong nag contradict sa God na sinasabi ng Bible nyo
Ako bat ko paabotin sa ganyan eyy simple logic at big bang theory with evolution theory lang taob yang Bible nyo

Next time wag kanang mag copy paste dahil basta2 nalang kinokuha mo lalo ka tuloy nag mistolang walang alam bakit wala kabang sariling pang unawa at kailangan mopa ng mahaba na copy paste boring basahin at iisa lang ang gustong ipahiwatig

Ayy..hindi naintintindihan ng loko kung bakit kinopy paste ko yan...gusto ko lang ipaalam sa lahat na ang bigbang mo di maaaring paniwalaan dahil katulad nga sa nabasa nyo lumabas ang daming katanungan na walang sagot.
Tingnan mo ..wala kang nagawa kundi ang umamin sa kskulangan kung dapat bang paniwalaan ang nabuo nyong theory.

Walang duda na may gumawa nga na isang makapangyarihang being kaya nabuo ang cosmos.hanggat hindi nyo napapatunayang malinaw ang pinagmulan nito nananatili parin ang absulotong katotohanang may Dios ngang gumawa sa lahat ng yan.

Libong taon nang nakasulat ang genesis at naisulat na sa pahinang yang ang pinagmulan ng universe:

"In the beginning
Time

God created
Energy

the heaven
space

and the earth"
matter

Dahil nga sa wala naman talagang nakakita sa pangyayari bago ang bigbang at kahit ikaw walang nagawa kundi ang tumango sa nabasa mong copy paste.mas maigi nang maniwala sa sa aklat na bago pa natuklasan sa hinaharap ay nakasulat na.ikaw naglalakbay ka pa lang pero kami alam na namin ang pupuntahan nyo.sigurado kami na sa hinaharap ang matutuklasan lang ng experiments nyo ano paman ang mga terms ang maimbinto nyo scientific theory o anu-ano pang mga terms na yan sa genesis pa rin ang bagsak nyo.lahat ng pag-aaral nyo dito rin mauuwi:

Gen.1:1 Nang pasimula ay nilikha ng Dios ang langit at ang lupa.

Heb.11:3 Sa pananampalataya ay natatalastas natin na ang sanglibutan ay natatag sa pamamagitan ng salita ng Dios, ano pa't ang nakikita ay hindi ginawa sa mga bagay na nakikita.

Kung ang nakikita ay hindi ginawa sa mga bagay na nakikita natural galing sila sa hindi nakikita kaya nga mga abangers antyin namin kayo doon ha....sa ngayon magkumahog muna kayo sa kahahanap ng prueba sa kalokohan nyo.damihan nyo pa ang mga theories nyo para mas masaya.
 
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You definitely misunderstood me and wrongly addressing the role of science. Contradictions or competing theories in science exist but it does not mean science is false or unreliable. I said of contradictions in science, not that science contradicts itself. When there are contradictions in science, it does not mean it is false. Take the game of chess. There are openings that are refutable as far as contemporary knowledge of chess is utilized. This is.only one instance. In the sicilian defence, there are hundreds of variations and refutations. It only shows the flexibility of science in our understanding. Competing theories can be falsified or refined. Opposition of ideas or truths are necessary into establishing of what most define reality. You need the method of science itself if you want to confirm/affirm or deny/debunk an another scientific theory.

Biblical narratives need science for its confirmation. Science does not need religious scriptures to affirm its own truths. Science is rather becoming more established.when contrary scientific views germinate. It is the strength of science where refined theories arise from competent oppositions.

Meanwhile, about the big bang, i tackled this subject somewhere else in this forum. My question is
"Can you offer me an alternate and equally competing theory?".

What language or means of investigation will you use to undermine the big bang theory?
Sabi nga ni MjLove paulit ulit na lang at hindi mo get ang.meaning ng theory.

Competing theories can be falsified or refined. This is the problem, theories are refutable. It means, it can take forever to answer the big WHY? Did I say science is false or unreliable?

Well, it's true Bible narrates and science confirms. Which means science proves that what's in the bible are true and correct.

Example, with all the human body parts why did God choose Adam's rib? Because it's one of the body parts that can regenerate.
Why did God advised Israel about quarantine and that they should not touch a dead body? Later, science discovered that it is a good sanitary practice. It helps prevent diseases.
 
Competing theories can be falsified or refined. This is the problem, theories are refutable. It means, it can take forever to answer the big WHY? Did I say science is false or unreliable?

Well, it's true Bible narrates and science confirms. Which means science proves that what's in the bible are true and correct.

Example, with all the human body parts why did God choose Adam's rib? Because it's one of the body parts that can regenerate.
Why did God advised Israel about quarantine and that they should not touch a dead body? Later, science discovered that it is a good sanitary practice. It helps prevent diseases.

Sege tol bira!!!! Mapapalaban ka dyan spikining n dallar yan... Hahaha.. Hay naku and hirap ng grade 1 lang inabot.
 
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