Gods are not real. click this thread so you can learn something..

[Mjlove]

Actually almost perfect ang Universe,but because of the fall,hindi na sya perfect.If Biblical doctrines ang paguusapan,tama nga naman kung all about the mysteries of the Universe ang paguusapan hindi sapat ang Bible ang basehan.Naiintrigue lang ako bro,so naniniwala ka na perfect ang Universe?kasi perfection can only be achieved by order,are you saying that Intelligence is involve in the creation of the Universe or is their a natural explaination of how it bacame perfect from a creation without a purpose.

At wala akong idea talaga anong totoong ibig sabihin ng perfect in general kasi words lang naman yan nag didipindi sa kung sino ang gumamit

 

[Mjlove]

At kung may involve man na intelligence sa bias ko sure na sure ako na hindi iyan god ng mga religion

 

[MynamesAlvin]

Ok gets ko ang pinangagalingan mo,lets start with a common ground,Una the universe have a orign,hindi sya eternally there in the beginning?tama ba?

 

[Mjlove]

Ok gets ko ang pinangagalingan mo,lets start with a common ground,Una the universe have a orign,hindi sya eternally there in the beginning?tama ba?

Aw sabi yan ng mga scientist pero flexible naman sila kaya nga may dahilan ako sa paniniwala sa science kasi ang science ay hindi agad nag conclude pwede nilang baguhin para sa mas accurate na explanation

 

[almon]

Wow sounds like nagmamagaling ha tol kung feeling mo matalino ka eyy mali kana
Anong walang palpak para saakin palpak naman talaga una wala namang evidence na ang boong mondo ay nalubog sa tubig

Oo may ice age pero wala sa account ang malakihang baha
At tsaka yung sinabi ng bible na ginawa tayo sa alakabok eyy sabi ng science galing tayo sa evolution may mga ebidinsya na yan marami pa

At kung ginawa tayo sa alakabok saan naman galing ang mga hayop bakit pariho lang ang pattern nila sa mga tao ? Diba yan ang dapat may sign of curiosity at pag curious ka dapat alamin mo dahil yang God did it mindset ay pagiging tamad


At hindi mo nakuha ang point ko wala ka namang alam sa pagiging atheist kaya siguro hindi mo na gets
Bakit ikaw nung pinanganak ka feeling mo theist kana non ? Naging theist ka lang naman dahil sa turo ng mga matatanda

Oo atheist ako dahil sa turo ng science ano namang mali nyan naniniwala ako na dapat may tamang basihan ang katutuhanan at science lang ang may ganyan

Kung meron man mag bigay ka nga

Patalinuhan ba ang usapan dito?

Bibigyan kita ng ideya ha...

1. Hindi ako expert sa Bible Hermeneutics.(Hindi ibig sabihin ay mangmang ako sa Biblya.Ang punto lang dito ay, mag quote ka sa Biblya ng anumang nakikita mo na anomalya o kontradiksyon at ilalatag ko ang argumento ng mga eksperto sa Biblya. Kung hindi mo gusto o feel mo hindi totoo ang mga Bible apologists, hindi ibig sabihin ikaw ang tama.Hindi ko o nila kailangan mag makaawa o umiyak para kumbinsihin ka. Hindi ako ako kumbinsido sa totoo lang sa mga paratang mo dahil you are generalizing and so very incomplete ang mga arguments mo.

2. Hindi ko kailangan gamitin ng buong-buo ang mga testimonya sa Biblya para isulong anuman ang aking nalalaman sa usapin sa thread na ito.Tungkol sa science, mahilig din ako.Anu ba ang bagong discovery sa science o evolution na hindi ko pa nabasa?Tanong ko lang ha, for the sake of curiosity...Kung sinabi sa Bible na galing tayo sa alikabok, ibig sabihin ay it violated science?How??Kung halimbawa ay nagkaroon ng great global flood noon, hindi ba napakadaling ayusin ng God ung mundo at alisin ang tubig na nakabalot sa mundo?hindi ito argument na that God exists or He does not exist. Ang punto dito ay Kung meron Dios, napakadali sa kanya na Alisin ang tubig na nakabalot sa mundo noon. Gets mo? What if totoo na nagkaroon ng Global flood?Napakadali naman i reset ng God ang itsura ng mundo o history.Ang punto ko lang dito ay do not conclude something you have no direct knowledge. TRue!science can not or may not trace the Great Deluge/Flood, because if there is a God then He can easily reset of all life and history!

Let me be clear ha sa posisyon ko dito. I am not a theist or an atheist. Sa usapin dito ako ay agnostic. I do not know much knowledge to argue for or against theism/atheism. I am trying to expose your arrogance as an atheist...and you can not refrain me from doing that.You know very little but you assume too much hehehe.


3. Tanong ko nga ay isa ka bang iskolar o eksperto sa history, Biblical hermeneutics. Kung kaunti lang ang nalalaman mo sa mga subjects na yan, it is wiser na itikom ang bibig. Nakakahiya sa mga eksperto dyan kung saan mahigit dekada nilang inaaral. Hindi ko sinasabi na tama o mali sila ha.I have no authority or the right knowledge to make judgment. ? Oh oh....sino kaya ang nagmamagaling sa atin?I am in pain of gaining knowledge in this life while you make quick and superficial judgment against others?Seems you know everything or if you don't know everyrthing, then why be so arrogant?Kung hindi mo expertise ang isang larangan ay hinay hinay laang tol.Hindi na bago ang retorikal na istayl mo.Lumitaw lang ako sa thread na ito to at least expose your intellectual adequacy.

 

[almon]

Aw sabi yan ng mga scientist pero flexible naman sila kaya nga may dahilan ako sa paniniwala sa science kasi ang science ay hindi agad nag conclude pwede nilang baguhin para sa mas accurate na explanation

Ang dami pang paikot ikot eh.
Ano nga po ang kontradiksyon ng science sa existence ng God?

 

[IamSenyorito]

panoorin niyo nalang debate ni EINSTEIN AT NG PROFESSOR niya sa YøùTùbé

 

[IamSenyorito]

https://m.YøùTùbé.com/watch?v=XVRCvYFVLyQ ayan ang link panoorin niyong mga atheist di niyo na kailangan ng proof. just watch this

 

[IamSenyorito]

sinasabi mo pang non-believer si Einstein? talaga lang? diba si eintein rin yung nasa video na sinend ko dito? panoorin mo.

 

[IamSenyorito]

Wo caonima panoorin mo nang magising ka sa katotohanan

 

[angelo cruz]

rip TS rip ang masasabi ko na lang

 

[jackgale]

There is no god. This is is an idea that was made long long long time ago. And is passed from generations to generations. To explain things around them, to have comfort of having the idea of salvation, the idea of heaven of good things when everything they knew about earth was bad at that time, when bad things were happening, they have the idea of heaven to comfort them. and To answer questions that has long baffled humans even to this day. Questions like "Why humans is created?, "Why is the sky, the earth the sea, the living things and all the things you see is created?", you know, the question should not be like that. That is why there is a misconception, and because of that people would believe that humans is created to be created means there is a creator that is why they strongly would believe the existence of a creator. When in fact the question should be why humans existed, what is the essence of human existence, when in fact the world would still survive and go on with or without humans. No global warming, no deforestation, no overpopulation, no extinction of animals, no pollution. It is also selfish to think the world was made for humans. HUmans are just lucky to have evolved to be able to reason and think. And because of that ability, humans have created their ideas, different ideas, conflicting ideas, dividing the whole human race into different groups. That often times fight for their beliefs and ideas. ANd lastly, because of that ability, people tend to not listen, understand, that is why it is hard for both conflicting parties to change the other to make it one of its own, and no wonder if you, who is reading this right now is probably thinking otherwise. have a nice day.

PS That is why when there is a conflict people would compromise by just having respect for having different views.

 

[Mjlove]

Ang dami pang paikot ikot eh.
Ano nga po ang kontradiksyon ng science sa existence ng God?

Alam mo tol wag mo nang e try noong una sinagot kita ang sabi mo "buti nalang hindi ako nakapag aral kasi aasa nalang ako sa sariling kaalaman "

Diba napaka drama non ? Pero don ko napag tanto na tamad ka pala ginawa mong pang excuse ang ganon e nakakapag Internet ka nga na hindi standard ang binabayad

Mas lamang ka sa kung sino mang studyanti dyan at yang sinabi mong kontradiksyon ng science at Bible ("face Palm") tol wala akong time sa mga ganyang storya

At kung nahihirapan kang intindihin ang science , mag Bible ka nalang forever okay wala akong paki sayo men

At kung naisip mo na pangaralan ako gamit ang Bible tol wala ako sa mood ngayon para mag laugh trip

May nakita akong chanel ng YøùTùbé
"Darkmatter2525"
Doon ka mag troll kasi doon ginagawang katatawanan ang mga verses ng Bible mo

Kasi sa ngayon wala akong paki saiyo men

 

[almon]

There is no god. This is is an idea that was made long long long time ago. And is passed from generations to generations. To explain things around them, to have comfort of having the idea of salvation, the idea of heaven of good things when everything they knew about earth was bad at that time, when bad things were happening, they have the idea of heaven to comfort them. and To answer questions that has long baffled humans even to this day. Questions like "Why humans is created?, "Why is the sky, the earth the sea, the living things and all the things you see is created?", you know, the question should not be like that. That is why there is a misconception, and because of that people would believe that humans is created to be created means there is a creator that is why they strongly would believe the existence of a creator. When in fact the question should be why humans existed, what is the essence of human existence, when in fact the world would still survive and go on with or without humans. No global warming, no deforestation, no overpopulation, no extinction of animals, no pollution. It is also selfish to think the world was made for humans. HUmans are just lucky to have evolved to be able to reason and think. And because of that ability, humans have created their ideas, different ideas, conflicting ideas, dividing the whole human race into different groups. That often times fight for their beliefs and ideas. ANd lastly, because of that ability, people tend to not listen, understand, that is why it is hard for both conflicting parties to change the other to make it one of its own, and no wonder if you, who is reading this right now is probably thinking otherwise. have a nice day.

PS That is why when there is a conflict people would compromise by just having respect for having different views.

Quick and short reaction lang...
Kapag sinabi mo na walang Dios, then that is your belief. Wala pa tayo siguro sa level para ideklara na walang Dios. I mean, did we exist from the infinite past and to exist in the infinite future? Can we transcend space and time or transcend interdimensional realities para sabihin boldy that there is no God? Ang bumabagabag talaga sa akin ay hindi ung if God exists or does not exist. Ang karakter ng God na ito ang bumabagabag sa akin kung sakali man na nag exist siya at nilikha tayo. So very simple to assume that there is no God. That is safe to say di po ba dahil sa existence ng evil. Gets po ba natin? This God can simply create an impenetrable barrier of knowing that HE or IT exists. The real question is if there is this God, what is His or Its character. Does He really care or He is toying with us? However, this world as we see is full of suffering so that some conclude that He does not exist. That is not the question. An indiffilerent and omnipotent God may exist and cause this reality for His own purpose. He may have used random evolution or intelligent design in our creation. He can easily do that. What bothers your intellect is your tradition knowledge of God or the Christian God or other Gods of other religions. God is defined and limited by these beliefs. Atheism is no superior to theism.Atheism is a belief.It is an intellectual assumption or hasty generalization on the fundamental questions in life. We are finite. If we are infinite or transcendent being, the question of atheism is empty.

 

[sirkethy]

Very harmful naman ng claim mo considering our country's context.

 

[almon]

Alam mo tol wag mo nang e try noong una sinagot kita ang sabi mo "buti nalang hindi ako nakapag aral kasi aasa nalang ako sa sariling kaalaman "

Diba napaka drama non ? Pero don ko napag tanto na tamad ka pala ginawa mong pang excuse ang ganon e nakakapag Internet ka nga na hindi standard ang binabayad

Mas lamang ka sa kung sino mang studyanti dyan at yang sinabi mong kontradiksyon ng science at Bible ("face Palm") tol wala akong time sa mga ganyang storya

At kung nahihirapan kang intindihin ang science , mag Bible ka nalang forever okay wala akong paki sayo men

At kung naisip mo na pangaralan ako gamit ang Bible tol wala ako sa mood ngayon para mag laugh trip

May nakita akong chanel ng yôutubê
"Darkmatter2525"
Doon ka mag troll kasi doon ginagawang katatawanan ang mga verses ng Bible mo

Kasi sa ngayon wala akong paki saiyo men

Nothing more intelligent discussion to be extracted from you. Please wag mo i absorb po ito na (personal) insult.

btw..

I am not the Alpha and the Omega but our finite-ness is what make life most absorbing. Atheists, theists and/or agnostics (we) can make this world a better place. Let us aim for the stars. Let us not allow for mega extinction or ultimate nuclear genocide. That is not the way should be. The stars are waiting. What the universe wants of us is to enjoy the depths of its space. The question is..is our knowledge and technology? Or is global population growth outpacing our knowledge and technology? Will nature make a surgical de-population in some regions if our 'knowledge and technology' is not ready yet to reach the stars and colonize outer space? In the not so far future...we will know the aswer.

 

[Mjlove]

Nothing more intelligent discussion to be extracted from you. Please wag mo i absorb po ito na (personal) insult.

btw..

I am not the Alpha and the Omega but our finite-ness is what make life most absorbing. Atheists, theists and/or agnostics (we) can make this world a better place. Let us aim for the stars. Let us not allow for mega extinction or ultimate nuclear genocide. That is not the way should be. The stars are waiting. What the universe wants of us is to enjoy the depths of its space. The question is..is our knowledge and technology? Or is global population growth outpacing our knowledge and technology? Will nature make a surgical de-population in some regions if our 'knowledge and technology' is not ready yet to reach the stars and colonize outer space? In the not so far future...we will know the aswer.

Well basta ako i only think for today , live each day like it's the last , escape drama dahil wala akong paki sa kadramahan ng mundo

Ang mga tiyorya natin patungkol sa hinaharap ay hindi nangangahulogang tama kaya wagna masyadong madrama

At hindi ako nag susukat ng talino dito nagrereply lang ako para mabahagi ang kaibahan ng faith sa fact

 

[almon]

Well basta ako i only think for today , live each day like it's the last , escape drama dahil wala akong paki sa kadramahan ng mundo

Ang mga tiyorya natin patungkol sa hinaharap ay hindi nangangahulogang tama kaya wagna masyadong madrama

At hindi ako nag susukat ng talino dito nagrereply lang ako para mabahagi ang kaibahan ng faith sa fact

Ok very nice of you to tone down a bit.
BTW, i just want to share my generalized opinion on fact/faith and/or theism/atheism...
Atheism is a belief or faith. Atheism assumes that there is no God or no Gods. That assumption hinges on faith. Although atheism uses reason and empirical knowledge, ultimately it is too a 'leap of faith'. The debate between atheism and theis rages on for thousands of years and did you see which is the clear winner? Both sides uses reason and empirical investigation. If atheism convinces you, it does not mean it is the ultimate truth. Somebody else will challenge you and surely the debate will rage on. Even in death atheism would not be proven true. For if atheism is true, nothing can be back from the dead to tell tale that in death nothing there is since death is the ultimate oblivion or nothingness. However, if theism is true and the existence of soul is true, still until today there is no irrefutable evidence that there is an afterlife reserved by God but this does not mean that God or the Gods does not exist. He/They may exist only that we may never have the clearest or irrefutable evidence to know Them directly. In this case then, we only assume that They do not exist.

Anyway, life goes on. We may continue to debate as long as we live. There is a God or no God, we should make this world a better place. Who knows that if humankind can survive a million or billions of years that its knowledge and technology is so advance and whoever good people perished from the past will be ressurected and live in a better era and can live an immortal life until all the good things in life is spent and the human soul finally wants to settle in being absorbed into the bosom of ultimate simplicity-GOD.

 

[tianny]

This thread would just make us mad and making us mad will make us do mistakes and everything. It means DEMONYO yung nagpost! Maybe yung nagpost nito ay non-believer na may aking talino at naisip niya ang gawaing ito upang ang mga tao ay magkasala. (AHA!)

Christians, you must not talk back. Ikaw lang yung kawawa. Nagalit ka. Wag ganun.

I just want to tell something para sa mga non-believer.

Some of the miracles that had been happened in this world, Science cant explain but I believe that their explanations are just what they believe. They can lie about all of that and make some explanations and experiments that will make people believe that it is true. Remember Scientists, Maybe Genius.

Example, yung pagkahati ng dagat. Yung kay Moses. Makaka-explain ba Science dun? Kung maiexplain nga, pano yun? May hangin na malakas? 1010 KMPH? Mahahati ba ang dagat ng ganun kabilis na hangin? Yung hating-hati talaga? (AHA!)

Other example, Healing. Nowadays, kaya nating magheal ng tao gamit ang teknolohiya pero meron bang ganun noon? CT scan, X-ray, Opthalomolscope? Sure akong wala. Ngayon, I dare everyone, yung mga hindi naniniwala sa Diyos, can you give proof or evidences na kayang maexplain ng Science yung mga ganung bagay?

THEORIES? Panu yun? Science paki explain. Oh....?

If you are Genius, think before you'll tell that it is a fact.

Alam kong kailangang umunlad ng bansang Pilipinas pero hindi sa ganung paraan. Uunlad ang bansa kung ang mga tao ay nakikisama. Uunlad ang bansa kung ang mga politiko hindi Corrupt. Uunlad ang bansa kung ginagawa ng tao kung ano ang tungkulin niya bilang Pilipino. It's not because of Religion nor God but bacause of YOU reading this reply. Think about it.

PS: I don't care about Typing errors wrong spelling as long as you understand the thought.

 

[treskia]

"Science did it para kang bata ang science nageexplain lang siya ano ang origin ng mga bagay2

At kumbinsido ka talagang ginawa ang lahat ng 7 days wow fairytale wow magic , ang tao nga ayon sa mga facts ng science ay million years bago ang modern na tao

Quote from Mjlove atheistic arguments

Maliwanag pa naman po sa sikat ng araw na ang mga breakthroughs at panibagong kaalaman na ibinabahagi ng science are just same old concept aka brand new reintroduction of everything old that the bible and ancient scriptures had defined from aeons past prior to these 'so called modern' new school of thought that sciences teaches as the new 'new' and considered 'facts' today, na kung hihimayin naman talaga yang mga elaborated and more complex explanations that sciences offers, the idea were just as the same as the basic and more simple and logical explanation that the bible and the scriptures already foretold in the past, all science did is to fashioned it in their own scientific way of explaining things out, but the idea is inarguably and deceitly borrowed from the wisdom of old.

Indeed 'old is just the new 'new'.

Sinasabi ng God namin na ang lahat ng nakikita at nagmula sa mga bagay na di nakikita.

Facts ba ng science yan? Opo!

Sinasabi ng God namin na ang lahat ay nilikha sa pamamagitan ng Kanyang 'Salita'

Tumutuklas na ngayon ang science diumano na magprovide ng proof about sa 'source' of a radio-gravitational wavelike 'ripple' from the vast space at sooner or later diumano makakapagbigay na sila ng data about sa konsepto ng 'Salita/radio/sound wave na ito na maaring susi sa pagtuklas sa universal 'language' o ripple na nagpapagana sa lahat ng sistema at nagpapainog sa uniberso.

Recent Theory ng science to pero considered facts na ng mga 'bias science believers' agad pero ipinagpauna na ng Genesis at old magic folktale books of same, old and of other religions as well

Sinasabi sa mga matatandang kasulatan na ang God, ang Ancient of Days na entity na into, ay mula sa walang hanggang pasimula at ang tanging Nabubuhay Magpakailanman, in short sa sobrang 'tanda' na wala accurate measurement na angkop at maging ang sukatin ang 'edad' Niya is deemed futile and inutile for everyone even the Son of God nor even angels can't fathom the idea of dahil He's not even bounded by our own concept of 'time'. Pero gaya nga sa lahat ng mga sangkap ng uniberso na Siyang maylikha at bumubuo nito sa pamamagitan ng Kanyang di maarok na walang hanggang kapangyarihan, ang mga attempt ng sciences na sukatin at 'immeasure' ang age of everything by means of radioactive 'decay' of matter' and other method of measurement ay pawang mga 'technological' assumption at magical numbers scientifically provided lamang pero deemed as factual numbers din ng ating mga bias atheistic science naysay believers lang naman. Na kung tutuusin wala namang pinagkaiba sa paniniwala kumpara sa aming mga old wisdom naysay believers.

Si God ay spiritually eternal diumano at di masusukat ang 'physical age' Niya pero makikita naman evidently ang lahat ng finite na likha niya, sa 'scientific' age of universe, sa age of stars, planets at sa mga sangkap nito na tunay nga ang Pahayag at hindi maikakaila na mula lahat sa walang katiyakang pasimula. Kung ganun nga masasabi nyo bang magic pa ang 7 araw na paglikha sa isa sa mga pinakamaliit na planeta pa?

Unawain ang ibinigay na 'Salita' bago husgahan kung wow magic at fairy tale lamang ang lahat. Enjoy the story, bow!