Closed Bible vs quran

[ShiroYasha]

Maari ko po bang malaman ang pananaw nyo tungkol dito kung alin ba ang mas tama. Kung ang Bible ba o Quran?

 

[Jmrie_]

Bible siguro pasensiya na opinion ko lang

 

[Jmrie_]

https://phcorner.net/threads/498816/
Bible


https://phcorner.net/threads/501951/
Quran

 

[dummy01]

It's not a matter of which is more right/better? For me it is a matter of which moral values you much prefer. Islam based their values on Quran. For Christianity, it's the Bible. And both are imperfect in a sense of interpretations and/or translations. I very much prefer the moral values of Judea-Christian values because it makes more sense to me and rational in order to have free and peaceful society. Why is it rational to me is a different discussion. I can't deny that in current society and events, Islam has bad reputation due to extremism. Also, some Muslim scholars disagreed that Islam is a religion of peace. Fortunately, some agreed that Islam is a religion of peace. Check this for some good reads about Islam: You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.

In conclusion, we cannot tell which is more right between the Bible and Quran because we have no (objective) standard, which we can both agree, which is better.

 

[ayehpasaway]

if this topic exist..

war will exist...

 

[ShiroYasha]

if this topic exist..

war will exist...

Siguro nga po. Pero gusto ko lang po malaman opinion ng lahat. Kung sino manalo ode un po ang tama.

 

[ShiroYasha]

Sabi po sa nasearch ko sa google.


BIBLE VS. QURAN: WHERE IS THE TRUTH?
“Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the
truth, and the life. No one comes to
the Father except through Me’”
(John 14:6)
“And We sent… Jesus, the son of Mary,
confirming that which came before him
in the Torah: We gave Him the Gospel”
(Surah 5:35)
True Christians recognize the Holy Bible as God’s inerrant word, perfect as given to His people. Nominal Christians have waged crusades and committed terrible atrocities in its name—sometimes fighting against other nominal Christians, and sometimes fighting against those who revere other books as holy—committing acts of violence the God of the Bible condemns as sin.
One book revered as holy by more than 1.6 billion people alive today claims that it—not the Bible—is the final, perfect and infallible source of divine revelation. That book, the Quran, has also been used over the centuries to try to justify violent acts that the Bible and true Christians also rightly recognize as sin.
Muslims and Christians alike need to understand what the Bible says about itself. And Muslims in particular might be surprised by what the Quran actually says about the Bible.
THE RELIGION BEHIND THE QURAN
Islam is the second-largest world religion. It has its greatest concentration of believers in the Middle East and North Africa, where more than 93 percent of the 340 million-plus population is Muslim. The largest numbers of Muslims, however, are outside the Middle East, with more than a billion in South and Southeast Asia, where they make up about 25 percent of the population. Indonesia has the world’s largest Muslim population, with more than 200 million adherents. Saudi Arabia, home of the religion, has just 25 million.
Muhammad, whom Muslims consider to be the final prophet of God, reported his first revelation in 610AD—a revelation he said came from the archangel Gabriel—and he continued to report revelations over the last two decades of his life. These revelations were codified after his death into the document now known as the Quran.
The two main branches of Islam today are the Sunni and the Shi’a, who trace their different lineages to a succession dispute among Muhammad’s first followers. Shi’ite Muslims look to Muhammad’s son-in-law and cousin Ali as the religion’s first rightful caliph (religious head of state), while Sunni Muslims accept the authority of the first three rulers who led the community after Muhammad’s death: Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman. The two branches also differ in their jurisprudence, relying on differenthadith (“sayings” of Muhammad and his companions) compiled in the tenth century ad to establish precedent in religious disputes.
Although Muslims acknowledge many distinguishing names for God, based on different divine attributes, the primary name they use is Allah—a word known to Arabs in pre-Islamic times, as we see from the name of Muhammad’s father, Abd-Allah, meaning “servant of God.” The Quran consists of 114 chapters, or Surah, each supposedly revealed by Allah through an angel, but only written toward the end of Muhammad’s lifetime and shortly afterward (the last text was supposedly written during the caliphate of Umar).
Several hundred years before Muhammad, the 22 Hebrew books of the Old Testament (split into 39 in Christian editions) and the 27 Greek-language books of the New Testament had been codified—canonized—as the Christian Bible. Muhammad, traveling across the Middle East with his uncle, a trader, would inevitably have been exposed to many individuals professing belief in the Bible, with its clear message of one sovereign God a stark contrast to the many gods worshiped by the various Arabian tribes.
Whether Shi’a, Sunni or other, all Muslims revere Allah as God, Muhammad as Allah’s messenger and the Quran as Allah’s perfect message. In fact, despite a number of passages written in an old Arabic practically unintelligible to modern speakers, Muslim scholars consider the Quran perfect and incorruptible—indeed, most Muslims consider it pre-existent and uncreated, as eternal as Allah.
How does the Quran call for the spread of Islam? It allows Muslims to convert or kill unbelievers (Surah 9:5; 47:4). Today, Muslims hold differing opinions about the Quran’s 41 references to jihad—an Arabic word that can be rendered into English as “struggle” or “battle.” Some interpret jihad as primarily an internal and spiritual process, while others take it as a command to wage literal physical war against nonbelievers. In the first decades of Islam, Muslims indeed waged war widely in the name of their faith. Consider the Zoroastrian community of Persia, which had flourished for more than a thousand years before Muhammad. Beginning around 635AD, Muslim armies increasingly encroached on Persia, and within a generation or two most Zoroastrians had either converted to Islam or had fled to India. A similar pattern would occur elsewhere across the Middle East and North Africa, until the reach of Islam eventually extended as far north as the gates of Vienna and as far west as Spain.
Interestingly, it is namely “the people of the Book”—Jews and Christians who do not accept the Quran—who are to be subjugated and if necessary killed. Muslims are instructed to “fight those of the People of the Book who do not [truly] believe in God [Allah] and the Last Day… until they pay the tax and agree to submit...” (Surah 9:29–30). This is in stark contrast to the Bible’s command to Christians, who are forbidden from violence or even hatred (Matthew 5:39–44). Christians are to love their enemies (Luke 6:35) and display the fruits of the Spirit in their lives (Galatians 5:22–23). Christians understand that Jesus’ kingdom is not yet of this world (John 18:36), are to proclaim the Good News of Christ’s return (Mark 16:15, Matthew 24:14), and are to await His return when He will reign as King of kings (Revelation 19:11–16).
THE INSPIRED SCRIPTURE DEBATE
The Bible teaches that God spoke His inspired Scripture through divinely chosen men moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:19–21)—that it is theopneustos, or “God-breathed” (2 Timothy 3:16), true (John 17:17) and the basis for all doctrine (Matthew 4:4). The inspired canon of Scripture concludes with the sobering warning that the Bible is not to be added to or taken from (Revelation 22:18–19). It is not to be contradicted by some “further revelation” that would revise or supersede its commands.
How do Muslims deal with this? Some Muslims contend that the Bible was originally trustworthy, but that it had become corrupted at some point. This is simply a false and easily disprovable claim. Many Bible manuscripts date back tohundreds of years before Muhammad’s time. Furthermore, these manuscripts were well known in Muhammad’s day, and many of those same manuscripts remain to modern times. For example, the beautifully preserved Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus (both ca. 340–350AD), the Chester Beatty Papyri (ca. 250AD), smaller fragments such as the John Ryland Fragment (ca. 117–138), the Bodmer Papyri, and hundreds of other copies of the New Testament which date frombefore the time of Muhammad survive today and attest to the inerrancy of Scripture.
These many documents, in addition to the Dead Sea Scrolls, testify to the preservation and codification of Scripture well before Muhammad’s day. They also present Muslims with a dilemma. If the claimed corruption occurred before the time of Muhammad, then why does the Quran refer to the Bible as the word of God and insist it is to be followed (Surah 2:40–42, 75, 3:3, 71, 93, 98–99; 5:68; 6:91; 10:37, 94; 21:7; 29:45; 35:31; 46:11)? Why does the Quran instruct that Christians were to find the truth in the New Testament of Muhammad’s day (Surah 10:94)? Additionally, if the New Testament is the word of God (as proclaimed in Surah 5:46, 67, 71), and if Jesus was a prophet of God (as Surah 4:171 and elsewhere assert), then Jesus’ words in the Bible should be believed and obeyed. The Quran itself points to the legitimacy of the Bible that God gave to Israel (Surah 2:40–42)! Furthermore, the Quran teaches that the word of God cannot be changed, and that it must be believed and obeyed (Surah 2:136; 4:136; 6:34; 10:34; 29:46).
The Bible asserts that it—and no other text—is God’s word, recorded and codified by “holy men” (2 Peter 1:21) under inspiration of the Holy Spirit. And, as has been noted, the Bible has been faithfully preservedthrough the centuries. Two of hundreds of examples of the preservation of the Bible are theCodex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. These beautiful and complete Bibles are available to view in museums today. These are two of the oldest surviving complete Bibles, assembled ca. 340AD, more than three centuries before the Quran. Their texts, translated, read nearly identically to any modern NKJV orKJV Bible that may be purchased today. Consider that the Codex Sinaiticus, written before the time of Muhammad and surviving on parchment for more than 1,670 years, contains the same text from the book of Revelation, noted above, which can be translated as plainly as what you will find in your NKJVtoday: “I testify to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If any one add to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book, and if anyone take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life, and from the holy city, which things are written in this book” (22:18–19).
Where modern accretions have crept into later translations of the Bible, these are well known, such as the famous “Johannine comma” in 1 John 5:7, used to falsely present God as a “Trinity.” Yes, God has preserved the ancient texts that let us know the truth of His inspired word. The Bible has not been corrupted; rather, its original text has been preserved accuratelythrough the centuries. Christians have faith in the veracity of these words and have faith in the hope of the resurrection and in the “tree of life and the holy city.” The Bible, the word of God, contains these words of life (cf. John 6:63). These words are true, trustworthy, final, perfect and infallible. No other Scripture is needed, nor has been given.
SALVATION AVAILABLE TO ALL
The need for salvation, and the hope of life after death, are core themes in both the Quran and the Bible. Yet the two books are incompatible in their understandings of Jesus Christ. The Quran teaches that Jesus was neither God nor the Son of God but was simply a prophet. This is such an important Islamic tenet that the assertion that God “begets not” (taken from Surah 112:3) was inscribed on the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem toward the end of the seventh century ad. While the Quran points to Jesus as sent from God, the Christian Bible is unique in presenting salvation as coming through God who became flesh.
Muhammad pointed his followers to many biblical prophecies of Jesus’ coming. Surah 3:38–48 tells of angels informing Zechariah the priest (the father of John the Baptist) about Jesus’ imminent birth. The Quran records that upon his visiting the ****** Mary, Zechariah tells her the unborn baby is sent by God and even states that He would be “the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, who will be held in honour in this world and in the next” (3:45). Interestingly, although the Quran rejects that Jesus was the Son of God—(Surah 19:35), the Quran does teach Jesus’ resurrection—that Jesus said He would be “raised to life again” (Surah 19:33–34).
In the Christian Bible, by contrast, Jesus proclaimed that He was “the way, the truth and the life” and that “no one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6). Furthermore, the Bible condemns the notion of salvation through any other than Jesus Christ: “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
Indeed, the Bible—known to Muhammad and praised in the Quran—consistently points to Jesus Christ as the hope for salvation. Job expressed his hope of being resurrected to “see God” when his Redeemer would stand “at last on the earth” (cf. Job 19:25–26). Jesus proclaimed that He would spend three days and three nights in the tomb, just as Jonah had spent three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish (Jonah 1:17; Matthew 12:39–40). Christ appeared to multitudes after His death and resurrection (Mark 16; Luke 24:36–51; Acts 1:3). The Apostles Peter and Paul proclaimed that Jesus Christ was indeed resurrected from the dead (Acts 2:22–24; 1 Corinthians 15:1–8).
Furthermore, the Bible teaches that “the Word was God,” that “the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,” that Jesus Christ was the Word and that grace and truth came through Him (John 1:1–18). The Christian Bible declares that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament—the “Rock” whom Israel followed in the wilderness, who spoke the Ten Commandments from Mount Sinai (1 Corinthians 10:4). The Bible makes plain that the Word came in the flesh, born of a ******, and any who “do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh” are labeled “a deceiver and an antichrist” (2 John 7). John records that rejection of the Word made flesh was a deceit “already in the world” even during his time (1 John 4:3).
The Quran promises “the fire of hell as a permanent home” for those who reject Islam (Surah 9:68), even while acknowledging that Jesus was sent by God, and as such was to be believed and obeyed. And Christ’s clear message—recorded in the same canonized Bible praised by Muhammad and the Quran—is that He alone, as the Son of God and the Messiah, is the only hope for all of humanity to receive salvation and eternal life. Yes, through Christ, salvation is available to all peoples who accept His message and obey Him (Galatians 3:28–29)!
CHRISTIANS HAVE A SAVIOR!
No mere prophet, Jesus was the Christ, fulfilling all things written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Him (Luke 24:44–46). This understanding comes through the Christian Bible (v. 45), which explains that He suffered and was resurrected from the dead (v. 46), so that “repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations” (v. 47).
The Quran teaches the fear of Allah, who will send sinners to the fire of hell. Yet it offers no Savior whose atonement can do what sinning human beings cannot do for themselves. Those who obey the God of the Christian Bible, however, are profoundly thankful that God sent His Son to take away the sins of the world (1 John 2:2), that Jesus Christ died for our sins, that He was then resurrected and then ascended back to His Father in Heaven until He would “come again” (John 14:3)! We can be thankful that He willcome again, and that a time will then come when all will be able to come to this knowledge, and ultimately every knee will bow to Christ (Philippians 2:9–10)!

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[ayehpasaway]

Siguro nga po. Pero gusto ko lang po malaman opinion ng lahat. Kung sino manalo ode un po ang tama.

do you think that books were able to save you by the time of apocalyps came?...


probablly big NO.


its only a guide..

no one wins in this discussion..


better try to find your God first..




and thats my opinon..



ps..
nosebleed
:-[

 

[ShiroYasha]

do you think that books were able to save you by the time of apocalyps came?...


probablly big NO.


its only a guide..

no one wins in this discussion..


better try to find your God first..




and thats my opinon..



ps..
nosebleed
:-[

Kaso paano kaya magagawang maghanap nila kung wala guide na tama? Diba?

 

[dummy01]

do you think that books were able to save you by the time of apocalyps came?...


probablly big NO.


its only a guide..

no one wins in this discussion..


better try to find your God first..




and thats my opinon..



ps..
nosebleed
:-[

I agree to you if you say that the book itself won't save humanity to apocalypse. But I think personally, it could possibly saved humanity from apocalypse if we could acquire wisdom from these books. It might night be able to save us from this known apocalypse in humanity's lifetime, but if we believe in after life, we could be saved in the after life. This is just my opinion and I understand it sounds absurd and irrational. It's not actually suprising. But my reason behind this is a belief, which others may take as ill-educated. It's fine though but with this belief, it all makes sense to me why evil exists, why life is unfair, why we could not acquire justice in our lifetime, and why nature indiscriminately destroying life. So all is good for me.

Kaso paano kaya magagawang maghanap nila kung wala guide na tama? Diba?

If you like a guide for moral right, I suggest you read the Bible. Specifically, the 10 Commandments in the Exodus 20:1-17 of the NIV. It's actually my foundation of morality in this modern time and the reason why I come up that we can live in peace, i.e. if everyone will follow these commandments.

Note: It is just my personal suggestion so no one is forced to do so.

 

[ayehpasaway]

I agree to you if you say that the book itself won't save humanity to apocalypse. But I think personally, it could possibly saved humanity from apocalypse if we could acquire wisdom from these books. It might night be able to save us from this known apocalypse in humanity's lifetime, but if we believe in after life, we could be saved in the after life. This is just my opinion and I understand it sounds absurd and irrational. It's not actually suprising. But my reason behind this is a belief, which others may take as ill-educated. It's fine though but with this belief, it all makes sense to me why evil exists, why life is unfair, why we could not acquire justice in our lifetime, and why nature indiscriminately destroying life. So all is good for me.



If you like a guide for moral right, I suggest you read the Bible. Specifically, the 10 Commandments in the Exodus 20:1-17 of the NIV. It's actually my foundation of morality in this modern time and the reason why I come up that we can live in peace, i.e. if everyone will follow these commandments.

Note: It is just my personal suggestion so no one is forced to do so.

this is the big question...





how about for some people who didn't know how to read..?
how about for the people who can read ,but cannot understand what they are readng..?

book is useless for that kind of issue..



all you have todo is have faith in your god..

 

[Helgafjell Crematoria]

bilang isang muslim ay sasabihin ko na ang Banal na Quran.

pero bago ang lahat nais ko ipaabot sa mga kapatid na kristyano dito na ang magiging tugon ko sa thread na ito ay hindi upang sila ay atakihin o hiyain o sabihin sila ay ligaw nang landas dahil ako ay dati kristyano na lumaki sa pamilyang katoliko, kung mayroon man pinakamalapit sa puso namin mga muslim yun ay walang iba kundi ang mga christians na gaya ng nasusulat sa quran

Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. -Quran 5:82

at ito pa ang sabi sa isa pa talata

Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve. -Quran 5:69


bago simulan ay lilinawin ko na hindi ako fundamentalist at sectarian muslim, quran alone muslim ako -- we believe in quranist movement that upholding the quran alone is the most pure and pristine doctrine of islam, we reject secondary sorces of hadith as we believe that hadith is the source of violence, bigotry and fanaticism within islam, the sectarian and sunni muslim hijacked the true islam by inventing man made hadith to suite their own political and satanic propaganda.



kung bakit nasabi ko Quran ang tama ay sa kadahilan ang bibliya ay wala na sa orihinal nitong porma ito ay napalitan at nabago sa pag lipas ng panahon.


at iyan ay ay hinulaan at pinatunayan sa bibliya na na darating ang panahon ito ay magiging corrupted o i cocorrupt ng mga tapag ingat nito

Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord, “Take this Book of the Law and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against you. For I know how rebellious and stubborn you are. Behold, even today while I am yet alive with you, you have been rebellious against the Lord. How much more after my death! Assemble to me all the elders of your tribes and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears and call heaven and earth to witness against them. For I know that after my death you will surely act corruptly and turn aside from the way that I have commanded you. And in the days to come evil will befall you, because you will do what is evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger through the work of your hands.” -
Deuteronomy 31:25-29


“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. -Jeremiah 8:8


ang orihinal na gospel ay nasusulat sa aramaic ang salitang ginagamit ni propeta jesus ngunit ang mga salin ng bibliya ang pinag hanguan ay greek, the question is where is the original gospel written in aramaic?.

ang mga biblical scholar mismo ang umaamin at nag papatunay na ang bibliya ay nag daan sa maraming pag babago o pag eedit at na corrupt over time.

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"[the New Testament had] in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written" [Secrets of Mount Sinai, James Bentley, p. 117]

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kahit na ang pinaka celebrated at kinikilala one of the forefathers of biblical study na may bansag sa bible scholar community na the dean ay ito ay inaamin at kinumpirma.

"The necessity of applying textual criticism to the books of the New Testament arises from two circumstances: (a) none of the original documents is extant, and (b) the existing copies differ from one another. The textual critic seeks to ascertain from the divergent copies which form of the text should be regarded as most nearly conforming to the original." -[Bruce M. Metzger's "The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption and Restoration", 1964]

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ito ay inamin din ni Dr. Frederic Kenyon sa kanyang entry sa particular na volume nang encylopedia britannica


"Yet, as a matter of fact, every book of the New Testament with the exception of the four great Epistles of St. Paul is at present more or less the subject of controversy, and interpolations (inserted verses) are asserted even in these." [Encyclopedia Britannica, 12th Ed. Vol. 3, p. 643]
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iyan ay ilan lamang sa mga patunay sa bibliya at mga iskolar ng bibliya na makakapag sabi ang bibliya ay unreliable na masyado at masyado nabago sa paglipas nang panahon.

but it doesnt mean na ang mga kristyano ay hindi maliligtas dahil according to quran tayo ay huhusgahan base sa ating mga gawa.

we do not claimed that being a muslim is a sure way to jannah (paradise), the true muslim and true christians is the one who make his living in a god centered life.

yung lamang and may the peace and blessing of subhan Allah be with us all, alhamdulillah (to God be the Glory).

 

[ayehpasaway]

bilang isang muslim ay sasabihin ko na ang Banal na Quran.

pero bago ang lahat nais ko ipaabot sa mga kapatid na kristyano dito na ang magiging tugon ko sa thread na ito ay hindi upang sila ay atakihin o hiyain o sabihin sila ay ligaw nang landas dahil ako ay dati kristyano na lumaki sa pamilyang katoliko, kung mayroon man pinakamalapit sa puso namin mga muslim yun ay walang iba kundi ang mga christians na gaya ng nasusulat sa quran

Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. -Quran 5:82

at ito pa ang sabi sa isa pa talata

Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve. -Quran 5:69


bago simulan ay lilinawin ko na hindi ako fundamentalist at sectarian muslim, quran alone muslim ako -- we believe in quranist movement that upholding the quran alone is the most pure and pristine doctrine of islam, we reject secondary sorces of hadith as we believe that hadith is the source of violence, bigotry and fanaticism within islam, the sectarian and sunni muslim hijacked the true islam by inventing man made hadith to suite their own political and satanic propaganda.



kung bakit nasabi ko Quran ang tama ay sa kadahilan ang bibliya ay wala na sa orihinal nitong porma ito ay napalitan at nabago sa pag lipas ng panahon.


at iyan ay ay hinulaan at pinatunayan sa bibliya na na darating ang panahon ito ay magiging corrupted o i cocorrupt ng mga tapag ingat nito

Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord, “Take this Book of the Law and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against you. For I know how rebellious and stubborn you are. Behold, even today while I am yet alive with you, you have been rebellious against the Lord. How much more after my death! Assemble to me all the elders of your tribes and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears and call heaven and earth to witness against them. For I know that after my death you will surely act corruptly and turn aside from the way that I have commanded you. And in the days to come evil will befall you, because you will do what is evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger through the work of your hands.” -
Deuteronomy 31:25-29


“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. -Jeremiah 8:8


ang orihinal na gospel ay nasusulat sa aramaic ang salitang ginagamit ni propeta jesus ngunit ang mga salin ng bibliya ang pinag hanguan ay greek, the question is where is the original gospel written in aramaic?.

ang mga biblical scholar mismo ang umaamin at nag papatunay na ang bibliya ay nag daan sa maraming pag babago o pag eedit at na corrupt over time.

-------
"[the New Testament had] in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written" [Secrets of Mount Sinai, James Bentley, p. 117]

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kahit na ang pinaka celebrated at kinikilala one of the forefathers of biblical study na may bansag sa bible scholar community na the dean ay ito ay inaamin at kinumpirma.

"The necessity of applying textual criticism to the books of the New Testament arises from two circumstances: (a) none of the original documents is extant, and (b) the existing copies differ from one another. The textual critic seeks to ascertain from the divergent copies which form of the text should be regarded as most nearly conforming to the original." -[Bruce M. Metzger's "The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption and Restoration", 1964]

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ito ay inamin din ni Dr. Frederic Kenyon sa kanyang entry sa particular na volume nang encylopedia britannica


"Yet, as a matter of fact, every book of the New Testament with the exception of the four great Epistles of St. Paul is at present more or less the subject of controversy, and interpolations (inserted verses) are asserted even in these." [Encyclopedia Britannica, 12th Ed. Vol. 3, p. 643]
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iyan ay ilan lamang sa mga patunay sa bibliya at mga iskolar ng bibliya na makakapag sabi ang bibliya ay unreliable na masyado at masyado nabago sa paglipas nang panahon.

but it doesnt mean na ang mga kristyano ay hindi maliligtas dahil according to quran tayo ay huhusgahan base sa ating mga gawa.

we do not claimed that being a muslim is a sure way to jannah (paradise), the true muslim and true christians is the one who make his living in a god centered life.

yung lamang and may the peace and blessing of subhan Allah be with us all, alhamdulillah (to God be the Glory).

nice. well explained kapatid.

my father was a JW before
my mother was a roman catholic
my aunt is in INC.

ive been in christian world..

but i baptized as a roman catholic.


such a poor world..


relegion seperated us..


i remember when i ask my late grandfather..
"lo sino ba ang diyos.."

sabi nya sa akin..

"wala"

sabi ko

bkit?

"dahil ako ang dyos ako ang nagdedesisyon sa sarili q."

natahimik lang ako nun..


but few days bago sa mamatay...

narinig ko ssya nagdadasal...


gusto ko sana syang tanungin nung mga oras nayun.
kung kanino sya nag dadasal..



wala lang naalala ko lang..

 

[marcoramiro01]

Para sa akin, ang pagbasehan mo ay kung nagtuturo ba ito na "ibigin ang Diyos ng higit sa lahat" at "ibigin ang kapwa gaya ng iyong sarili." Sa Biblia, ito ang dalawang dakilang utos sa lahat. Sa dalawang utos na ito nakasalalay ang lahat ng turo at aral ng mga propeta ayon sa Biblia. Kaya masasabi nating ito ang buod sa lahat ng kautusan ng Diyos sa Biblia. Kung sa tingin mo ang Quran ay may ganitong dakilang utos rin gaya ng sa Biblia, para sa'kin parehas nasa tama ang relihiyong ito.

Let's face the fact na ang "pagibig sa Diyos" at "pag-ibig sa kapwa" ang pinakamahalagang basehan kung ito ba ay nasa tama and I hope we both agree on this matter. It's just all about LOVE.

Kaya kahit Bible o Quran pa yan basta una sa lahat ang "pag-ibig sa Diyos" at "pag-ibig sa kapwa", ito ay masasabi nating tama. Ang buhay sa mundo ay mananatiling masaya at mapayapa sa pamamagitan lamang ng dalawang utos na ito. Kaya nga sa Biblia, tinuturing itong dakilang utos sa lahat ng kautusan.

 

[Helgafjell Crematoria]

nice. well explained kapatid.

my father was a JW before
my mother was a roman catholic
my aunt is in INC.

ive been in christian world..

but i baptized as a roman catholic.


such a poor world..


relegion seperated us..


i remember when i ask my late grandfather..
"lo sino ba ang diyos.."

sabi nya sa akin..

"wala"

sabi ko


bkit?

"dahil ako ang dyos ako ang nagdedesisyon sa sarili q."

natahimik lang ako nun..


but few days bago sa mamatay...

narinig ko ssya nagdadasal...




gusto ko sana syang tanungin nung mga oras nayun.
kung kanino sya nag dadasal..



wala lang naalala ko lang..

naitanong mo ba sis kung member ng freemason or any hermetic group ang grand father mo.


the believe of human is God, part of unmanifested and uncreated and eternal being (God) through our immortal spirit, yan kasi ay part ng esoteric and acient mystery doctrine.

dahil ako ang dyos ako ang nagdedesisyon sa sarili q."

marahil ang ibig sabihin nya dito ay siya ang may hawak ng buhay at desisyon nya, dahil my free will tayo bilang nilikha wether we want to obey god or disobey him, at majority ng world religion ay iyan ang pananaw.. gaya ng isang popular occult adage

"we are the master gardener of our life and destiny"

 

[ayehpasaway]

naitanong mo ba sis kung member ng freemason or any hermetic group ang grand father mo.


the believe of human is God, part of unmanifested and uncreated and eternal being (God) through our immortal spirit, yan kasi ay part ng esoteric and acient mystery doctrine.

dahil ako ang dyos ako ang nagdedesisyon sa sarili q."

marahil ang ibig sabihin nya dito ay siya ang may hawak ng buhay at desisyon nya, dahil my free will tayo bilang nilikha wether we want to obey god or disobey him, at majority ng world religion ay iyan ang pananaw.. gaya ng isang popular occult adage

"we are the master gardener of our life and destiny"

catholic lolo ko. sumasali nga sya sa pabasa pag mahal na araw.

pero ni minsan di ko sya nakitang nag simba..

about dun sa freewill na sinasabi mo...
parang yun nga ang ibig sabihin ng lolo ko..

well anyway off topic na po to maxado sa thread ni t.s.


t.y.

 

[low-key]

Siguro nga po. Pero gusto ko lang po malaman opinion ng lahat. Kung sino manalo ode un po ang tama.

xD marami pong population ang pilipinas mahahantong lang po ito sa kaguluhan magkakaiba po lahat ng tao but since tinanong muna

bible po hindi ko pa po nabasa quran pero based sa research mas kapanipaniwala ang bible atsaka ayaw ko po si allah iba po siya sa one true GOD which is the father of Jesus

sa opinion ko po ay kung ano po pinaniniwalaan mo yun po ang totoo kung maniniwala ka kay allah xD mahirap po sundin yung commandments niya kung maniniwala ka po kay Jesus Christ mercy mercy more mercy much feel ko safe kay Jesus dahil po mahirap po magtiwala ngayon puro doubts nakaka baliw na ngayon sinasabi ko lang nasa isip ko

 

[low-key]

nice. well explained kapatid.

my father was a JW before
my mother was a roman catholic
my aunt is in INC.

ive been in christian world..

but i baptized as a roman catholic.


such a poor world..


relegion seperated us..


i remember when i ask my late grandfather..
"lo sino ba ang diyos.."

sabi nya sa akin..

"wala"

sabi ko

bkit?

"dahil ako ang dyos ako ang nagdedesisyon sa sarili q."

natahimik lang ako nun..


but few days bago sa mamatay...

narinig ko ssya nagdadasal...


gusto ko sana syang tanungin nung mga oras nayun.
kung kanino sya nag dadasal..



wala lang naalala ko lang..

naawa naman ako sa lolo mo boss felt mixed of fear and pity

 

[Vil_n]

bilang isang muslim ay sasabihin ko na ang Banal na Quran.

pero bago ang lahat nais ko ipaabot sa mga kapatid na kristyano dito na ang magiging tugon ko sa thread na ito ay hindi upang sila ay atakihin o hiyain o sabihin sila ay ligaw nang landas dahil ako ay dati kristyano na lumaki sa pamilyang katoliko, kung mayroon man pinakamalapit sa puso namin mga muslim yun ay walang iba kundi ang mga christians na gaya ng nasusulat sa quran

Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. -Quran 5:82

at ito pa ang sabi sa isa pa talata

Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve. -Quran 5:69


bago simulan ay lilinawin ko na hindi ako fundamentalist at sectarian muslim, quran alone muslim ako -- we believe in quranist movement that upholding the quran alone is the most pure and pristine doctrine of islam, we reject secondary sorces of hadith as we believe that hadith is the source of violence, bigotry and fanaticism within islam, the sectarian and sunni muslim hijacked the true islam by inventing man made hadith to suite their own political and satanic propaganda.



kung bakit nasabi ko Quran ang tama ay sa kadahilan ang bibliya ay wala na sa orihinal nitong porma ito ay napalitan at nabago sa pag lipas ng panahon.


at iyan ay ay hinulaan at pinatunayan sa bibliya na na darating ang panahon ito ay magiging corrupted o i cocorrupt ng mga tapag ingat nito

Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord, “Take this Book of the Law and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against you. For I know how rebellious and stubborn you are. Behold, even today while I am yet alive with you, you have been rebellious against the Lord. How much more after my death! Assemble to me all the elders of your tribes and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears and call heaven and earth to witness against them. For I know that after my death you will surely act corruptly and turn aside from the way that I have commanded you. And in the days to come evil will befall you, because you will do what is evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger through the work of your hands.” -
Deuteronomy 31:25-29


“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. -Jeremiah 8:8


ang orihinal na gospel ay nasusulat sa aramaic ang salitang ginagamit ni propeta jesus ngunit ang mga salin ng bibliya ang pinag hanguan ay greek, the question is where is the original gospel written in aramaic?.

ang mga biblical scholar mismo ang umaamin at nag papatunay na ang bibliya ay nag daan sa maraming pag babago o pag eedit at na corrupt over time.

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"[the New Testament had] in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written" [Secrets of Mount Sinai, James Bentley, p. 117]

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kahit na ang pinaka celebrated at kinikilala one of the forefathers of biblical study na may bansag sa bible scholar community na the dean ay ito ay inaamin at kinumpirma.

"The necessity of applying textual criticism to the books of the New Testament arises from two circumstances: (a) none of the original documents is extant, and (b) the existing copies differ from one another. The textual critic seeks to ascertain from the divergent copies which form of the text should be regarded as most nearly conforming to the original." -[Bruce M. Metzger's "The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption and Restoration", 1964]

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ito ay inamin din ni Dr. Frederic Kenyon sa kanyang entry sa particular na volume nang encylopedia britannica


"Yet, as a matter of fact, every book of the New Testament with the exception of the four great Epistles of St. Paul is at present more or less the subject of controversy, and interpolations (inserted verses) are asserted even in these." [Encyclopedia Britannica, 12th Ed. Vol. 3, p. 643]
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iyan ay ilan lamang sa mga patunay sa bibliya at mga iskolar ng bibliya na makakapag sabi ang bibliya ay unreliable na masyado at masyado nabago sa paglipas nang panahon.

but it doesnt mean na ang mga kristyano ay hindi maliligtas dahil according to quran tayo ay huhusgahan base sa ating mga gawa.

we do not claimed that being a muslim is a sure way to jannah (paradise), the true muslim and true christians is the one who make his living in a god centered life.

yung lamang and may the peace and blessing of subhan Allah be with us all, alhamdulillah (to God be the Glory).

Well respected your religion sir, and even christian, and other religion too.

 

[Al Ho20]

bilang isang muslim ay sasabihin ko na ang Banal na Quran.

pero bago ang lahat nais ko ipaabot sa mga kapatid na kristyano dito na ang magiging tugon ko sa thread na ito ay hindi upang sila ay atakihin o hiyain o sabihin sila ay ligaw nang landas dahil ako ay dati kristyano na lumaki sa pamilyang katoliko, kung mayroon man pinakamalapit sa puso namin mga muslim yun ay walang iba kundi ang mga christians na gaya ng nasusulat sa quran

Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. -Quran 5:82

at ito pa ang sabi sa isa pa talata

Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve. -Quran 5:69


bago simulan ay lilinawin ko na hindi ako fundamentalist at sectarian muslim, quran alone muslim ako -- we believe in quranist movement that upholding the quran alone is the most pure and pristine doctrine of islam, we reject secondary sorces of hadith as we believe that hadith is the source of violence, bigotry and fanaticism within islam, the sectarian and sunni muslim hijacked the true islam by inventing man made hadith to suite their own political and satanic propaganda.



kung bakit nasabi ko Quran ang tama ay sa kadahilan ang bibliya ay wala na sa orihinal nitong porma ito ay napalitan at nabago sa pag lipas ng panahon.


at iyan ay ay hinulaan at pinatunayan sa bibliya na na darating ang panahon ito ay magiging corrupted o i cocorrupt ng mga tapag ingat nito

Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord, “Take this Book of the Law and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against you. For I know how rebellious and stubborn you are. Behold, even today while I am yet alive with you, you have been rebellious against the Lord. How much more after my death! Assemble to me all the elders of your tribes and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears and call heaven and earth to witness against them. For I know that after my death you will surely act corruptly and turn aside from the way that I have commanded you. And in the days to come evil will befall you, because you will do what is evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger through the work of your hands.” -
Deuteronomy 31:25-29


“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. -Jeremiah 8:8


ang orihinal na gospel ay nasusulat sa aramaic ang salitang ginagamit ni propeta jesus ngunit ang mga salin ng bibliya ang pinag hanguan ay greek, the question is where is the original gospel written in aramaic?.

ang mga biblical scholar mismo ang umaamin at nag papatunay na ang bibliya ay nag daan sa maraming pag babago o pag eedit at na corrupt over time.

-------
"[the New Testament had] in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written" [Secrets of Mount Sinai, James Bentley, p. 117]

-------
kahit na ang pinaka celebrated at kinikilala one of the forefathers of biblical study na may bansag sa bible scholar community na the dean ay ito ay inaamin at kinumpirma.

"The necessity of applying textual criticism to the books of the New Testament arises from two circumstances: (a) none of the original documents is extant, and (b) the existing copies differ from one another. The textual critic seeks to ascertain from the divergent copies which form of the text should be regarded as most nearly conforming to the original." -[Bruce M. Metzger's "The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption and Restoration", 1964]

-----


ito ay inamin din ni Dr. Frederic Kenyon sa kanyang entry sa particular na volume nang encylopedia britannica


"Yet, as a matter of fact, every book of the New Testament with the exception of the four great Epistles of St. Paul is at present more or less the subject of controversy, and interpolations (inserted verses) are asserted even in these." [Encyclopedia Britannica, 12th Ed. Vol. 3, p. 643]
-------


iyan ay ilan lamang sa mga patunay sa bibliya at mga iskolar ng bibliya na makakapag sabi ang bibliya ay unreliable na masyado at masyado nabago sa paglipas nang panahon.

but it doesnt mean na ang mga kristyano ay hindi maliligtas dahil according to quran tayo ay huhusgahan base sa ating mga gawa.

we do not claimed that being a muslim is a sure way to jannah (paradise), the true muslim and true christians is the one who make his living in a god centered life.

yung lamang and may the peace and blessing of subhan Allah be with us all, alhamdulillah (to God be the Glory).

masa' alkhayr
assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
sir sorry to interrupt you,
palagay ko po sir hnd ka muslim,
islam na ung religion,
sabi mo dba christian ka nuon???
so kung ano ung tribu mo un kna,
ung religion mo lng ang ng,iba,
or correct me if i'm wrong sir,
so sir were the same,
burn in bisaya,
but now my religion is islam,
so hope u get my point and i'm open and welling to accept what is yours,